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  1. outlaws6688 Inactive
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    RUSSIANS!

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  2. filmklassik Member
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    I agree with Jay and Mona 100 percent re: Trump’s unacceptability as a world leader. The man is a train wreck.  He is not merely unqualified for office and a vile human being, he may well be a permanent stain on the Conservative brand — or at least, a stain that won’t come out for 15 or 20 years.

    Furthermore, I’m glad Jay dropped his affiliation with the Republican Party.

    That being said, I’m pretty sure Jay’s reflexive defense of The New York Times this week has its roots in his deep and abiding contempt for the sitting President. At the risk of oversimplifying, it is probably an “Enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of a thing. At least up to a point.

    Personally, I share Mona’s feelings about The Gray Lady: Despite some good writing and crackerjack reporting, the Times is now a shameless organ of the Left. (And its moral equivalency in regards to Israel and those who would destroy her is utterly contemptible)

    So, note to Jay: Both Trump AND The New York Times can fall under the heading of “unacceptable.” And they do.

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  3. rebark Inactive
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    @filmklassik

    I keep trying to tell people that they should be more open to the possibility that everyone and everything in public life is utterly terrible.

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  4. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Well I am glad to see that somebody is happy about the healthcare collapse this week.  Mona was so giddy about the GOP and Trumps failure you could almost hear her skipping around the room in joy.

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  5. George Townsend Inactive
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    I am about to commit heresy. I am going to criticize Mona. I don’t usually do that. I agree with her about 90 or more percent of the time. I especially like when she talked about civility. She is one of the few who always talk about that, and God Bless Her!

    So this is just a mild rebuke: I do take issue with her talking about the New York Times. She is certainly right about their awful bias. Where she gets into trouble, I believe, is when she says they are not alone. She is right, of course. And The Washington Post might be even worse, hard as that is to imagine. But when she uses talk radio as an example, she is off the mark. I am the first to criticize talk radio, for their unremitting adoration of Trump, for example. He can do no wrong. Medved and Hewitt are practically the only ones who will take a clear-eyed view of the man. However, as much as I loath it, it is their prerogative to do so. Talk radio is in the opinion business. Except for the editorial Page, the New York Times isn’t. They claim to report the news without fear or favor. All The News That’s Fit To Print, and all that. When they fail to do that, which they do continually do, they fail us all, and deserve to be signaled out for criticism.

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  6. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):
    I am about to commit heresy. I am going to criticize Mona… I do take issue with her talking about the New York Times. She is certainly right about their awful bias. Where she gets into trouble, I believe, is when she says they are not alone. She is right, of course. And The Washington Post might be even worse, hard as that is to imagine. But when she uses talk radio as an example, she is off the mark. I am the first to criticize talk radio, for their unremitting adoration of Trump, for example. He can do no wrong. Medved and Hewitt are practically the only ones who will take a clear-eyed view of the man. However, as much as I loath it, it is their prerogative to do so. Talk radio is in the opinion business. Except for the editorial Page, the New York Times isn’t. They claim to report the news without fear or favor. All The News That’s Fit To Print, and all that. When they fail to do that, which they do continually do, they fail us all, and deserve to be signaled out for criticism.

    I suppose it is worse when a news organization that claims to be objective  is anything but. Consequently, it breaks my heart every time the New York Times, Time Magazine, USA Today, The Economist, The Washington Post, etc. remind me that they are so egregiously in the tank for progressives.

    But that doesn’t take talk radio off the hook. Talk radio seems to be the Right Wing equivalent of NPR and MSNBC.

    And I’m not sure I agree with you about Hugh Hewitt. Hewitt is certainly bright, and he used to be clear eyed.  But he has since become a Trump apologist.

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  7. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    But that doesn’t take talk radio off the hook. Talk radio seems to be the Right Wing equivalent of NPR and MSNBC.

    I have grown weary of talk radio. I still listen to Prager occasionally, although he has made me quite sad, with his constant defense of anything Trump does. The only ones I listen consistently are Hewitt and Medved. I love Micheal. He is brilliant, insightful, and never in the tank for anyone.

    About Hugh Hewitt: Being a lawyer, and a teacher of Constitution Law for years, he is greatly influenced by the pick of judges. And I appreciate his perspective. If we lost the Court, what’s to stop the left? And I do think he tries to be fair. He has criticized Trump, and only voted for him reluctantly, because of the judge issue.

    I do think you are missing my point on Talk Radio. Of course they are biased. As I say, I hardly listen to most of the talking heads there. But that is their right. This medium is not like newspapers, or news shows. It is an opinion medium. If you don’t like them, you can listen to people more to your liking. With news, even in today’s market, there is too much bias, and not that many venues to turn to. That’s the shame of it. I still like Fox, though. Special Report plays it straight.

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  8. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    But that doesn’t take talk radio off the hook. Talk radio seems to be the Right Wing equivalent of NPR and MSNBC.

    I have grown weary of talk radio. I still listen to Prager occasionally, although he has made me quite sad, with his constant defense of anything Trump does.

    About Hugh Hewitt: Being a lawyer, and a teacher of Constitution Law for years, he is greatly influenced by the pick of judges. And I appreciate his perspective. If we lost the Court, what’s to stop the left?

    Yeah, Prager broke my heart too.  I used to subscribe to Pragertopia, but no longer.

    As for Hugh Hewitt, he can certainly praise Trump for appointing Gorsuch while at the same time being intellectually honest about our new president’s many many many social and political gaffes.  But he’s not quite doing that.  Not like, for example, Ben Shapiro is.

    And I despise Fox News. Almost as much as I despise MSNBC, CNN, NPR, the New York Times, and the Washington Post.

     

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  9. steven Iverson Member
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    Regarding radio talk show hosts, Mark Levin is biased only to the constitution and to our God given liberties. He is the only one who has written several scholarly books and who has instituted the push for an article 5 convention of the states, the only method likely to allow us to save the country as envisioned by the founders. Funny how Jay and Mona have never mentioned this possibility as have almost no other “conservatives” despite Levin having written a scholarly book on the subject. By the way the late Milton Friedman saw this convention of the states amendment process as perhaps our only way to save the country.

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  10. filmklassik Member
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    steven Iverson (View Comment):
    Regarding radio talk show hosts, Mark Levin is biased only to the constitution and to our God given liberties. He is the only one who has written several scholarly books and who has instituted the push for an article 5 convention of the states, the only method likely to allow us to save the country as envisioned by the founders. Funny how Jay and Mona have never mentioned this possibility as have almost no other “conservatives” despite Levin having written a scholarly book on the subject. By the way the late Milton Friedman saw this convention of the states amendment process as perhaps our only way to save the country.

    If I had to guess, I’d say it was Levin’s trademark bellicosity as well as his staunch (albeit reluctant) support of the Trump presidency that has made Jay and Mona shy away from him.

    Speaking for myself, Levin would be far more tolerable if he held the same views regarding the Constitution that he holds now, but evinced the composure of a Charen or a Buckley or a Nordlinger, and was willing to state — like many of the writers at National Review and the Weekly Standard — that Donald Trump, like Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, is manifestly unfit for office.

     

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  11. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    And I despise Fox News. Almost as much as I despise MSNBC, CNN, NPR, the New York Times, and the Washington Post.

    I sort of understand. They promoted Trump. I was incensed, for example, that they had him on, for a long time, for New Years. They had the others on. But far less than Trump. And he almost lived at Fox & Friends. He was good for ratings. Not a good excuse for a news network. But these are businesses, and, if they don’t survive, it won’t help anybody.

    As I say, I do like Special Report. The news is straight. And things you might not see anywhere else. They did a piece on the new Museum of the Bible, in Washington, the  other night. I wonder if you’d see that anywhere else? Charles Krauthammer is great. They have Steve Hayes on a lot. Jonah Goldberg does the show. And Jason Riley. I really think you are missing something if you don’t watch.

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  12. George Townsend Inactive
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    steven Iverson (View Comment):
    Regarding radio talk show hosts, Mark Levin is biased only to the constitution and to our God given liberties. He is the only one who has written several scholarly books and who has instituted the push for an article 5 convention of the states, the only method likely to allow us to save the country as envisioned by the founders. Funny how Jay and Mona have never mentioned this possibility as have almost no other “conservatives” despite Levin having written a scholarly book on the subject. By the way the late Milton Friedman saw this convention of the states amendment process as perhaps our only way to save the country.

    I agree with Filmklassik.

    First of all, I never liked Levin’s nastiness. On the few occasions I’ve heard him, I always said to the radio, “Look, I’ll buy you a new microphone, if you will quit yelling into it. This is not the forties!”

    You are certainly right that he is very scholarly. But my main focus is in convincing people we are correct as conservatives in wanting the best for the overwhelming number of people. How do we do that if we are always yelling at people? And, while I think Barrack Obama was an awful president, how does calling him a Communist advance our cause.

    As far as a convention is concerned, I am dubious. We already know that, in wanting to control everyone, the left, including judges, will do anything to subvert the laws. So, how do we know they will not do the same thing, no matter what a Convention comes up with?

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  13. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    I agree with Filmklassik.

    First of all, I never liked Levin’s nastiness. On the few occasions I’ve heard him, I always said to the radio, “Look, I’ll buy you a new microphone, if you will quit yelling into it. This is not the forties!”

    You are certainly right that he is very scholarly. But my main focus is in convincing people we are correct as conservatives in wanting the best for the overwhelming number of people. How do we do that if we are always yelling at people? And, while I think Barrack Obama was an awful president, how does calling him a Communist advance our cause.

    As far as a convention is concerned, I am dubious. We already know that, in wanting to control everyone, the left, including judges, will do anything to subvert the laws. So, how do we know they will not do the same thing, no matter what a Convention comes up with?

    The divide on the Right is now running  along a very specific fault line, with the “We have to stick by our principles and be better than our repugnant opposition” team on one side, and the “Fair play has gotten us nowhere — the gloves are off now!” team on the other.

    And the second team has a lot more players than the first.

    We are so screwed…

     

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  14. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    We are so screwed…

    An inveterate pessimist, huh? I can’t go along. Admittedly, I do not know how we are going to cure the torpor that the rabid Trump defenders will accuse folk like me of having. Just because I refuse to “fight”, in the way they choose to fight, by demonizing and misconstruing the things we on the real right are saying, should not mean it is all over. I do not believe that their numbers are more than our numbers. If that were true, Trump’s numbers would not be so dismal. Many of his own supporters (maybe not the rabid ones) are beginning to question the things he is doing. Perhaps a Marco Rubio type (even if not the Senator himself) will challenge Trump for nomination in 2020?

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  15. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    We are so screwed…

    An inveterate pessimist, huh? I can’t go along. Admittedly, I do not know how we are going to cure the torpor that the rabid Trump defenders will accuse folk like me of having. Just because I refuse to “fight”, in the way they choose to fight, by demonizing and misconstruing the things we on the real right are saying, should not mean it is all over. I do not believe that their numbers are more than our numbers. If that were true, Trump’s numbers would not be so dismal. Many of his own supporters (maybe not the rabid ones) are beginning to question the things he is doing. Perhaps a Marco Rubio type (even if not the Senator himself) will challenge Trump for nomination in 2020?

    But I’m not just talking about elections. I wish it were that simple. I am talking about a perceptible and dramatic cultural shift that has been going on for 10 or 15 years.  I am talking about what will soon be the largest demographic group in the country – – Millennials  – – being overwhelmingly progressive (it is pointless to argue that they’re not; they are) and the opposition being divided along the lines I mentioned above.   So very soon the country will be at least 50% progressive, 25 to 30% Trump-style Republicans (meaning big government right wingers, which is no longer an oxymoron), and finally, at the end of the train, in the little old caboose, you will find whatever remains of old-school, principled, Buckley-ite conservatives.

     

     

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  16. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    But I’m not just talking about elections. I wish it were that simple. I am talking about a perceptible and dramatic cultural shift that has been going on for 10 or 15 years. I am talking about what will soon be the largest demographic group in the country – – Millennials – – being overwhelmingly progressive (it is pointless to argue that they’re not; they are) and the opposition being divided along the lines I mentioned above. So very soon the country will be at least 50% progressive, 25 to 30% Trump-style Republicans (meaning big government right wingers, which is no longer an oxymoron), and finally, at the end of the train, in the little old caboose, you will find whatever remains of old-school, principled, Buckley-ite conservatives.

    I take your point. I really do. I think that Jay makes many of these points. I just think that being defeatist is not the right tack – either morally or practically. Admittedly,  I do not know what to do. Perhaps, if Bill were still around, he would know. I make no pretense to being able think as quickly or as lucidly as the great man. I just don’t want to give up.

    There is a commercial on the radio these days, about getting  a Reagan e-mail, that quotes our 40th president as saying that someday we will look back to a time when men were free. This may be correct. I hope not. I certainly would not want to live to see it.

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