Prof. Gabriel Rossman of UCLA joins NTK to offer reflections on being a conservative in academia – and also on invitations to provocateurs like Milo. 

Jay and Mona then analyze the Mueller indictments, Russian interference, domestic divisions, crime, and the origin of a famous expression.

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  1. Member

    Not one mention of the Florida shooter. Hmmm. Where do Jay and Mona stand in the latest round of the gun control debate?

    Guess we don’t need to know.

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    • February 17, 2018 at 3:48 am
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    Not one mention of the Florida shooter. Hmmm. Where do Jay and Mona stand in the latest round of the gun control debate?

    Guess we don’t need to know.

    Here are my thoughts: https://ricochet.com/495776/no-names/

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    • February 17, 2018 at 5:45 am
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    Mona Charen (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    Not one mention of the Florida shooter. Hmmm. Where do Jay and Mona stand in the latest round of the gun control debate?

    Guess we don’t need to know.

    Here are my thoughts: https://ricochet.com/495776/no-names/

    Just read it. I understand your point, Mona, but another option is to address the bloviating on both sides of the debate without ever deigning to use the shooter’s name.

    Because acting as if a horrific massacre didn’t take place and is not dominating the news would seem to run counter to Need to Know’s brief.

    On the other hand, I’m sure you and Jay both grappled with this matter — alone and together — for several hours before taping your podcast. So I suspect I’m not saying anything that Need to Know doesn’t know.

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    • February 17, 2018 at 6:09 am
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    Three things about this important Podcast…

    1. You didn’t mention Gentrification, Mona, regarding the lowered crime-rate. I hope you have Heather Mac on. I believe that is she who credits Gentrification with lowering the crime rate (although your statement about cells phones is interesting, and may indeed play a role).
    2. A friend of mine on Ricochet (I hope I can say that about Henry) thinks that Jay speaks too often in generalities. I agree, to an extent. However, his observations on Trump are usually spot-on. And, Trump being Trump, has no use for nuance. And he has made people trust less in the F.B.I. Surely, they’ve made mistakes, not least in this latest shooting. But too many people go to extremes, and our President is making it harder to believe in any institutions.
    3. I like the phrase “Entertainment Wing” of the conservative movement. Never heard it put that way before. It summarises nicely what I abhor about the new conservatives. These Populist-Conservatives (a horrible, contradictory phrase, made popular by the-once-thoughtful-but-no-more Laura Ingraham) seem to not understand the difference between writing and speaking so as entertain thoughtfully, and “entertaining” by making a mockery of the things that real conservatives still value.
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    • February 18, 2018 at 6:08 am
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  5. Coolidge

    The interview with Professor Rossman leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    What kind of conservative is he, anyway? Is he the kind of conservative who would have been called a liberal a few years ago? (A liberal who supports Israel — make that “doesn’t hate Israel” — is sometimes called a conservative.) Where does he disagree with the dominant campus culture? Does he oppose affirmative action? Openly?

    I take it for granted that he supports gay marriage, or leftist goons would be disrupting his classes, and demanding his firing.

    His open letter opposes the invitation to Milo, but his support for speakers like Heather MacDonald (“I can understand why some people were offended”) and Charles Murray (“someone whose ideas many people find offensive”) is only lukewarm.

    Campus progressives probably say, “Oh, this guy Rossman, he’s useful to us. Send him to the camps last!”

    Neither Rossman’s open letter nor his interview here mentions anything about the rules of the game; that is, what kind of guests does the Left invite to campus? Do they try to avoid offending conservatives or Christians or whites or the police?

    Of course, when the other side changes the rules, Mona and Jay wrap themselves in their purity and urge us to proudly go down to defeat, rather like the orchestra on the Titanic.

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    • February 18, 2018 at 11:55 am
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    Jay calls it a “powerful sign of the times“ that nobody is surprised Donald Trump had an affair in 2006.

    Really? Seymour Hersh informs us that when JFK traveled, he would have local police bring him prostitutes every night. Except that instead of being paid for their silence, they were threatened with being locked up as insane.

    And, of course, when JFK was in the White House he had Frick and Frack on the staff, though I doubt he limited himself to them.

    So I guess the “powerful sign of the times“ Jay was talking about is that powerful men behave better today than they did back then!

    And then there’s Mona. Even as she reports that the leader of the left in British politics spied for the Soviet bloc, she unthinkingly assumes that the Left and the Right in American politics are equally patriotic.

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    • February 18, 2018 at 12:15 pm
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    Taras (View Comment):
    Jay calls it a “powerful sign of the times“ that nobody is surprised Donald Trump had an affair in 2006.

    Really? Seymour Hersh informs us that when JFK traveled, he would have local police bring him prostitutes every night. Except that instead of being paid for their silence, they were threatened with being locked up as insane.

    And, of course, when JFK was in the White House he had Frick and Frack on the staff, though I doubt he limited himself to them.

    So I guess the “powerful sign of the times“ Jay was talking about is that powerful men behave better today than they did back then!

    And then there’s Mona. Even as she reports that the leader of the left in British politics spied for the Soviet bloc, she unthinkingly assumes that the Left and the Right in American politics are equally patriotic.

    Why do you keep listening, if all you do is criticize Mona and Jay? And why must you mention others when we are talking about Trump? Clearly, we know how terrible JFK behaved back then. And we know that the press, and his aids, covered up for him. Trump apologists keep excusing him by referring to how bad others were. That song had clearly lost its melody.

    As far as what Jay meant by his comment: Clearly he meant that we all know what kind of a guy Trump is, and are not surprised to hear about his reckless and surly behavior.

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    • February 18, 2018 at 1:41 pm
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    Taras (View Comment):
    The interview with Professor Rossman leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    What kind of conservative is he? Is he the kind of conservative who would have been called a liberal a few years ago? Where does he disagree with the dominant campus culture?

    The acceptance of Professor Rossman by his Liberal colleagues is a modern anomaly. Most Conservative faculty (and students, for that matter) report a dramatically different experience, one that has been well documented by people like the decidedly non-Conservative — but extremely fair-minded — Jonathan Haidt. Haidt has written extensively about campus politics for publications like the Atlantic Monthly. In other words, Haidt is no Breitbart loon.

    And Haidt’s findings indicate that bias on American campuses is real and getting worse. I would just remind Jay and Mona of their own reactions to video of the professor who was encircled, and screamed at, by a pack of angry Yale students over the issue of “cultural appropriation” not long ago. (His offense: Defending the wearing of “triggering” Halloween costumes).

    Jay likened this behavior to that of young Maoists during the Cultural Revolution, and Mona agreed with him.

    The embattled Professor, Nicholas Christakis, and his wife Erika, also a professor (whose email entreating students not to succumb to PC orthodoxy is what touched off the firestorm), were forced to resign from the university two months later. They received little in the way of support from their liberal colleagues.

    But there was barely a mention of anything like this (i.e., the acute crisis on U.S. campuses) in Jay and Mona’s chat with Professor Rossman. Rossman indicated that he was accepted — even welcomed — by most of his colleagues and students, and that was that. Neither Jay nor Mona brought up the dozens of examples of liberal intolerance we’ve seen on U.S. campuses since 2015.

    And I think I can diagnose the problem. I think it’s the vulgar idiot with the “R” next to his name who currently occupies the White House (I despise the guy as much as you do). I think Trump and his supporters are prompting heretofore reasonable conservatives to re-examine their core principles.

    Because if the traditional vessel for American conservatism – – the GOP — is willing to embrace the likes of this course, cruel, ignorant, and manifestly unfit scoundrel, conservatism itself is called into question. And progressivism looks better by comparison.

    But I would hope that Jay and Mona can take a leaf out of the Rob Long/James Lileks/Jonah Goldberg playbook and continue to go after Trump hammer-and-tongs while still hanging on to their core beliefs.

    But they seem to be struggling with this.

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    • February 18, 2018 at 3:31 pm
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    Jay calls it a “powerful sign of the times“ that nobody is surprised Donald Trump had an affair in 2006.

    Really? Seymour Hersh informs us that when JFK traveled, he would have local police bring him prostitutes every night. Except that instead of being paid for their silence, they were threatened with being locked up as insane.

    And, of course, when JFK was in the White House he had Frick and Frack on the staff, though I doubt he limited himself to them.

    So I guess the “powerful sign of the times“ Jay was talking about is that powerful men behave better today than they did back then!

    And then there’s Mona. Even as she reports that the leader of the left in British politics spied for the Soviet bloc, she unthinkingly assumes that the Left and the Right in American politics are equally patriotic.

    Why do you keep listening, if all you do is criticize Mona and Jay? And why must you mention others when we are talking about Trump? Clearly, we know how terrible JFK behaved back then. And we know that the press, and his aids, covered up for him. Trump apologists keep excusing him by referring to how bad others were. That song had clearly lost its melody.

    As far as what Jay meant by his comment: Clearly he meant that we all know what kind of a guy Trump is, and are not surprised to hear about his reckless and surly behavior.

    So I should listen only to people I agree with? I prefer to have my views challenged, now and again (though Mona and Jay’s knee-jerk anti-Trumpism can be tiresome).

    And my hope is some people on Ricochet (possibly even Mona and Jay, though I’m not holding my breath) will find my comments thought-provoking.

    In general, I am trying to point out that Republicans, like Trump, are held to standards which the Democrats get away with violating every day.

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    • February 18, 2018 at 4:23 pm
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    Taras (View Comment):
    In general, I am trying to point out that Republicans, like Trump, are held to standards which the Democrats get away with violating every day.

    I believe that our side (true conservatives) should be held to a high standard. We will meet them. Trump is not now, and certainly never was, a conservative. His excellent deeds are the results of listening to others, which, I concede, he deserves credit for. But we must never forget with whom we are dealing: A man who should have only entered the White House on tour!

    • #10
    • February 18, 2018 at 4:38 pm
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    Jay & Mona:

    No doubt you have already read this … or at least heard about it … but you may want to read it again. The story Andrew Ferguson chronicles here is not exceptional. Not anymore.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/ferguson-in-search-of-black-and-white/article/2011510

    Once again: Trump’s election, and the continued support being shown to him, in no way validates — or even ameliorates — the cultural poison that is Progressivism.

    Please — please! — do not lose sight of that.

    • #11
    • February 19, 2018 at 5:45 pm
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