Two Megans are featured this week: the great Washington Post columnist Megan McArdle, and the newest member of the Windsor clan, Meghan Markle. The trio of McArdle, Nordlinger, and Charen tackle the welfare state, the NFL, the abortive Korea Summit, and graduation season.

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  1. Mona Charen Contributor

    Whoops! I got it completely wrong in my comments about the federal judge’s ruling regarding President Trump’s Twitter use. Read it too cursorily. Screwed up bigly!

     

     

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    • May 25, 2018, at 4:31 AM PST
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  2. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    I agree that Trump acted in typical Trump fashion and is using the whole football kneeling thing for his purposes. Particularly despicable to bring it up again every time it starts to die down. However, I also think that much as I believe the NFL players have a right to protest, I also believe they, much like’s Trump’s base, are easily manipulated for a political agenda. It makes zero sense to protest unequal treatment by refusing to honor the very symbol of the document that gives you the right to protest. The players need to find a better way and not be lead and used by self serving, opportunistic men like Kaepernick. And Trump supporters shouldn’t jump on board the Trump carnival train every time he pulls this kind of crap. It is all so stupid.

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    • May 25, 2018, at 9:59 AM PST
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  3. Ed G. Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    is using the whole football kneeling thing for his purposes. Particularly despicable to bring it up again every time it starts to die down.

    What makes it despicable? Why shouldn’t he use it for his purpose if the purpose is to highlight the craziness of the left?

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    • May 25, 2018, at 10:24 AM PST
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  4. Ed G. Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    However, I also think that much as I believe the NFL players have a right to protest, I also believe they, much like’s Trump’s base, are easily manipulated for a political agenda. It makes zero sense to protest unequal treatment by refusing to honor the very symbol of the document that gives you the right to protest. The players need to find a better way and not be lead and used by self serving, opportunistic men like Kaepernick.

    So maybe “despicable” was a bit of an exaggeration then.

    How about this other reason to keep this alive until they surrender: unequal and political treatment on the part of the NFL toward conservatives. They refused to let people where blue lives matter or 9/11 related items, shouldn’t there be consequences for this bigger display of political message? I didn’t want any of this; I didn’t really care that football didn’t want political messages – even ones I agreed with – seeping into the game. I don’t want politics there either. But one way or the other – either none are allowed or conservative ones are allowed too. 

    I don’t want this to go away either – I want to win the battle. And it is a battle, unfortunately. One we can and should win. They politicized football, not us. Does unilateral surrender do us any good? It hasn’t done us any good in the decades I’ve heard conservatives complaining about this culture war.

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    • May 25, 2018, at 10:34 AM PST
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  5. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    What makes it despicable? Why shouldn’t he use it for his purpose if the purpose is to highlight the craziness of the left?

    Reviving the whole sorry mess when it was going away. His purpose is to keep the whole thing going as long as possible. And saying they shouldn’t even be in the country is highlighting the craziness of Trump … not the left.

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    • May 25, 2018, at 10:38 AM PST
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  6. Ed G. Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    What makes it despicable? Why shouldn’t he use it for his purpose if the purpose is to highlight the craziness of the left?

    Reviving the whole sorry mess when it was going away. His purpose is to keep the whole thing going as long as possible. And saying they shouldn’t even be in the country is highlighting the craziness of Trump … not the left.

    I guess I don’t view it as a sorry mess to be cleaned up. I view it as an opportunity to freeze them and hold them to their own standards to our benefit.

    As far as not not belonging in the country, that’s hyperbole. That’s hyperbole common to the right for decades at least. Trump didn’t make it up. I probably wouldn’t use the phrase myself but I understand it and agree with it nonetheless. It’s a handy and pithy distillation of the whole situation: you don’t protest a particular perceived wrong by dumping on America as America. 

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    • May 25, 2018, at 10:46 AM PST
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  7. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    As far as not not belonging in the country, that’s hyperbole. That’s hyperbole common to the right for decades at least. Trump didn’t make it up.

    But he does it in a particularly disgusting, vulgar and Trumpy way. Every time. That helps the left.

    you don’t protest a particular perceived wrong by dumping on America as America. 

    Agreed.

     

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    • May 25, 2018, at 10:52 AM PST
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  8. Scott Wilmot Member

    I’m starting to enjoy these podcasts again because we have grown so far apart in many of our views – it’s interesting to hear the other side.

    As for the NFL – they did what they did because of business, not politics. They were losing fans and revenue and needed to address the situation. Now, perhaps Goodell made a bone-headed decision, but it was done as a business move, not political.

    As for the USA – NK summit. I don’t think that President Trump wanted it too much as you said – that can be seen by him telling KJU see you later. I think the President has played it very well.

    And as for the royal wedding. Yes, we need more true, lifelong marriage in this country. But this royal wedding wasn’t one. My understanding is that Meghan Markle is Catholic and is married to another man. Yes, she got a civil divorce, but without a declaration of nullity (saying that the first marriage never existed), she is still married to that man in the eyes of the Church. As Catholics, we believe as Christ said that marriage is lifelong and one that divorces and marries another commits adultery. I know Mona is not Catholic and I don’t know Jay’s religious affiliations so maybe you don’t know this. But there is a huge controversy in the Church now over giving communion to the civilly divorced and “re-married”. To have this spectacle play out in the country of King Henry VII, at this time, did nothing to bolster true marriage in my view other than the spectacle and beauty that might get people to say hey lets do that too. The truth of marriage is something one needs to know.

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    • May 25, 2018, at 2:52 PM PST
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  9. Hoyacon Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    What makes it despicable? Why shouldn’t he use it for his purpose if the purpose is to highlight the craziness of the left?

    Reviving the whole sorry mess when it was going away. His purpose is to keep the whole thing going as long as possible. And saying they shouldn’t even be in the country is highlighting the craziness of Trump … not the left.

    The whole sorry mess was revived by the action of the NFL. And Trump’s quote was “maybe they shouldn’t be in the country.”

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    • May 25, 2018, at 9:30 PM PST
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  10. George Townsend Inactive

    A few points about this terrific Podcast:

    1. Mona’s discussion with Megan was wonderful. It is nice to know we have someone on our side at The Washington Post. Newspapers ought to have more than one viewpoint. Another good thing about the discussion is that it should put to rest the silly thoughts of some conservatives that Mona is moving to the Left. She emphatically is not. She just believes in putting forward everyone’s thoughts. It doesn’t mean she has changed hers in any radical way.
    2. Whether some Trump supporters will admit or not, Julia is right in her disgust that Trump has interfered in the silly protests at the NFL. They were going away, before Trump got involved. Then the children that comprise the Left felt it their duty to continue the nonsense. Matter of fact, I agree with much of Trump said. But that’s not the point. He is the President, not some drunken oaf at the end of the bar. It is not his place to comment on everything that happens. He has more important things to do. The fact that he doesn’t understand this is what makes him unfit – despite the good he has done.
    3. Lastly: About Mona’s mistake regarding the Twitter ruling: It shows that she is all to human. I wish the Mona bashers would realize that.
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    • May 26, 2018, at 5:58 AM PST
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  11. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    The whole sorry mess was revived by the action of the NFL. And Trump’s quote was “maybe they shouldn’t be in the country.”

    What the President says matters. What he says is part of what he does. He isn’t Don from Queens calling into talk radio. He can’t seem to tell the difference though. He speaks without thinking. He does not play 3D chess.

    Trump has made it into a demonstration against him when a reasonable man could have convinced most of the players that refusing to stand for the flag in imitation of a mediocre player trying to force a team to let him play, was a very stupid idea. Now many players feel (wrongly but they aren’t rocket scientists) that they lack courage and solidarity if they stand. Trump made it all about him and his supporters think he is fighting for them. He’s fighting for himself and he plays people.

    It is amazing that people defend him when he does things like this.

    As for the NFL? They have been incredibly stupid in this as well. It all sucks.

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    • May 26, 2018, at 9:46 AM PST
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  12. milkchaser Member

    So predictable: What does Trump say/believe? We disagree.

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    • May 26, 2018, at 11:31 AM PST
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