IMG_1484Jay and Mona begin with some Memorial Day reflections and then turn to the grim business of politics. This podcast is a protracted answer to those who say that this election is just a contest like all the others, a choice of the lesser of two evils, a hold-your-nose-and-pick one case. They think it’s different, a hinge moment that could destroy conservatism, and possibly much more. The week offered a perfect contrast: Gov. Susana Martinez, they urge, is the antithesis of Trump. Little good cheer this week, but honesty aplenty.

Music is the Marine Corps hymn in honor of Cpl. Nicholas Thom (whom Mona mentioned) and all those who gave their lives for this country.

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  1. Ion Inactive
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    @Ion

    There trap of the pit of self-pity has limited the intellectual firepower of these two to publishing yet another chapter in their oral lamentations about the state of modern times and the Republican Party.

    Contrary to the strawman argument summarized in the abstract for the episode, there are those who at once recognize all the same flaws of Trump yet have suggested means to containing his excesses, supposing he were to become President, while making use of his executive authority to advance the conservative agenda.

    It seems, though, that it feels better to stroke one’s own sense of moral indignation than to even attempt to strategize to infuse and infiltrate conservatism and conservatives into the team of the Republican nominee. Rather than see him as a potential (though undesirable) vessel for bringing some conservativism back to DC after these eight (or, is it more like 28?) years, Charen and co. persist in doing what they excel at, engaging in ongoing mutual therapy, complaining in detail about the rotten hand they’ve been dealt.

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  2. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    @Rightfromthestart

    Congressional Republicans will oppose Hillary , oh really? Just last week 16 of the crapweasles voted to go ahead with Obama’s Destroy the Suburbs Act  AFFH!  So yes, Jay, I say Hillary, Hillary, Hillary! I don’t like him either but she simply terrifies me.

    The country club, gentlemanly Republicans created this situation by never fighting back and now it takes an unsavory Quint to kill the shark.

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  3. Eeyore Member
    Eeyore
    @Eeyore

    Author Brad Thor is #NeverTrump, as he feels that if there is even a 5% chance of Trump becoming a dictator, it’s not worth the risk. And he believes that there is that risk.

    On the other hand, I believe there is a 50% risk that in a Hillary presidency, Iran will nuke Tel Aviv. North Korea will likely attack the South (with 35K US dead). China will force down an American surveillance aircraft near “their” new islands, with public humiliation and imprisonment of the crew. Russia is already buzzing American warships, and I believe will order all American warships out of any of Russia’s sphere of influence.

    Hillary absolutely loathes the military. (See Buzz Patterson’s Dereliction of Duty. He carried the nuke football for two years.) Thus her responses will likely go no further than Expressions of Grave Concern and Sternly-Worded Letters, all being appeals through the UN or Brussels.

    Add to that the unlikeliness of her pushing back against the continued pressures of Islamization (such as the continued efforts by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to ban criticism of Islam worldwide), her life-long support of anti-police sentiments such as Black Lives Matter and her call for an “Australian-style” response to “gun violence” (mass confiscation), to be conducted as much as possible through executive action – we could be in a world of hurt.

    Of course, Trump might successfully fight back, or simply light fuses, in the above circumstances.

    Tough call.

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  4. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    Jay and Mona, please do not cave to the Trump supporters. Your impassioned statements are very important to those of us who cannot abide a Trump candidacy. It is extremely important that his obvious weaknesses of character and his lack of qualification for the presidency be stated and restated. The argument that he is now the nominee is an insufficient argument to shut down the doubts of us who, from the beginning, have felt that he had no business being a nominee, much less a candidate for that nomination. In the face of all the flack being thrown up by the Trump supporters it would be easy to forget exactly how awful he is. Hillary Clinton’s failings are not an excuse to vote for someone as bad as she is who claims to a Republican. I look forward to podcasts and writings.

    Jay, I particularly enjoyed the story about Puccini. Tosca was my first love in opera and has remained my favorite throughout my life.

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  5. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    Rightfromthestart:

    The country club, gentlemanly Republicans created this situation by never fighting back and now it takes an unsavory Quint to kill the shark.

    Quint is as much a fictional character as is Donald Trump. I would prefer to put my hopes on someone who is real and has actual experience and integrity.

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  6. Valiuth Inactive
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    It is good to have at least one place that unequivocally anathematizes Trump. Keep it up Jay and Mona.

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  7. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Nordlinger-Charen 2016!  Kristol-Will 2016!  Romney-Martinez 2016!  We need two patriots to step up!

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  8. Mister Dog Coolidge
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    That version of the Marine Corps Hymn is too busy (for lack of a better term.)

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  9. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
    Rightfromthestart
    @Rightfromthestart

    Eugene Kriegsmann:

    Rightfromthestart:

    The country club, gentlemanly Republicans created this situation by never fighting back and now it takes an unsavory Quint to kill the shark.

    Quint is as much a fictional character as is Donald Trump. I would prefer to put my hopes on someone who is real and has actual experience and integrity.

    That is not the choice we have been given, it is the unsavory vs the pure evil . She should have been driven from public life if not actually into prison 25 years ago but the ‘gentlemanly’ Republicans always went wobbly before the media onslaught , to this day they don’t seem to realize that the media is the main enemy.

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  10. Leslie Watkins Member
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    Now that even libertarians with a capital “L” are getting into the ill-mannered, anti-elite election mode that characterizes this year’s presidential campaign, I’m beginning to think that a majority of the populace are not so much angry as defiant, however ill-fated their absolutism. For good or ill (probably both), the America I grew up in has clearly faded away. With Obama—ruling by executive order rather than constitutionally considered compromise—as their predecessor, neither Trump nor Hillary will see their job as being “to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States,” and I don’t think the electorate will much care as the Democrats and Republicans continue to fight to impose their values on everyone else and libertarians persist in confusing a dislike of the main political parties with being independent.

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  11. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    Rightfromthestart:

    Eugene Kriegsmann:

    Rightfromthestart:

    The country club, gentlemanly Republicans created this situation by never fighting back and now it takes an unsavory Quint to kill the shark.

    Quint is as much a fictional character as is Donald Trump. I would prefer to put my hopes on someone who is real and has actual experience and integrity.

    That is not the choice we have been given, it is the unsavory vs the pure evil . She should have been driven from public life if not actually into prison 25 years ago but the ‘gentlemanly’ Republicans always went wobbly before the media onslaught , to this day they don’t seem to realize that the media is the main enemy.

    I am in complete agreement on the media. They, to a large extent, share the blame for Trump’s victory in the primaries. They used him and he used them. I am fairly disgusted with the GOP, as is Jay Nordlinger, but not disgusted enough to vote for their candidate if he is, as Trump certainly is,  a long way beyond unsavory.

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  12. Ario IronStar Inactive
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    (Deleted.  No point commenting).

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  13. Sal Reagan
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    Jay, Mona, please, please get a sense of proportion. Trump is certainly a very disappointing choice but do you want a Hillary presidency on your conscience? A third choice is just another name for a Hillary presidency.

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  14. SteveSc Member
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    @SteveSc

    TBH, this is the first time I considered not listening to them.  I get it, they don’t like Trump, (neither do I, but better than Hillary) but at this point is anyone’s mind not made up here on Ricochet?

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  15. Gromrus Member
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    I largely agree with Jay and Mona about the character and temperament of Mr. Trump and I too bewail his eclipsing and beating the many, many well qualified and sterling Republican candidates of depth and experience. However, when I read Victor Davis Hanson I get glimpses of understanding as to why Trump has triumphed. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436015/trump-anti-establishment-vote .  I also must admit to feeling some of the visceral frustration with the order of the day of which VDH speaks. His recent pieces, this one included, are full of examples of how we no longer have a “nation of laws and not of men” which Jay puts his hope in. The Law is breached with impunity by some and not by others. The lack of passionate resistance to the elite  order by elected Republicans  has in part led to the Trump ascendancy.  I am still deciding if I can cast a vote for Trump or not but  Jay and Mona have not yet convinced me that he would be worse than Mrs. Clinton.

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  16. Sabrdance Member
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    “Normal parameters” currently include conservatives and Christians (and conservative Christians) being cashiered from their jobs, investigated by the IRS, forced out of public life entirely, forced to perform acts they consider immoral, forced to serve masters they haven’t chosen, have their organizations shuttered and their properties attained, and on current trends, we’ll be adding loyalty oaths and “murdered in our beds” to that litany before too much longer.

    Would someone please explain to me why “bad within normal parameters” is supposed to make me feel better?

    I repeat, we should be lucky to have a bully in the white house.  Bullies get bored, and sometimes they even sleep.  Hilary would be a tyrant, and while she might sleep, her people will continue merrily on.

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  17. EEM Inactive
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    Prager’s argument (“what is certain is certain”) referring to Clinton and leftism has been hard to resist. Prager’s convinced we can’t survive four more years of a leftist administration. Mona & Jay’s argument (“we would own him,” i.e., Trump; Republicans could fight Clinton but wouldn’t fight Trump, etc.) pulls me back into the #nevertrump camp. Mona and Jay–can you get Prager to sit down for an interview?

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