Is it treason to criticize the president? If so, Mona and Jay are in big trouble. They also take swipes at Beto, Mayor Pete, farm subsidies, and more, while pausing to appreciate a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington moment. They end on a bittersweet note — this is the last regularly scheduled Need to Know.

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    Ricochet Audio Network: this is the last regularly scheduled Need to Know.

    Ricochet’s loss is Bulwark’s drain.

    • #1
    • May 24, 2019, at 3:23 PM PDT
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  2. Coolidge

    I am not aware that those two, whom I have met are government officials. It’s a shame to see Jay Nordlinger join the crazies.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 3:29 PM PDT
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  3. Member

    Jay is great on Q&A and of course his passion is music, so I have no doubt that his new podcast will do well. And Mona is just such a careful and thoughtful Conservative. Still, I am sad that since the election of Donald Trump they decided to pine, protest, and persecute ad infinitum. I kept wanting to email them and tell them, “I get it, you don’t like Donald Trump. I get it, you hate everything he does. I get it, you think he’s a lout, and a liar, and he has bad breath.” It simply became so tedious that I stopped listening, which I hated because I have so enjoyed these two over the years. Jay and I are of the same generation with similar affections for the Conservative movement, and I have been reading Mona Charen since the 90’s; so having to walk away was so very disappointing for me. I hope that a change of venue for both of them will give them a refreshed sense of perspective, as I am hopeful that I will be able to hear them with a refreshed sensibility.

    Thank you both Mona and Jay. I joined Ricochet in 2011 and have been listening since the first podcast. Thank you, even when I disagreed with you, I so appreciated your thoughtful perspectives. Sorry that this administration has turned out to be such a misery for you both.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 3:48 PM PDT
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  4. Coolidge

    Marley's Ghost (View Comment):

    Jay is great on Q&A and of course his passion is music, so I have no doubt that his new podcast will do well. And Mona is just such a careful and thoughtful Conservative. Still, I am sad that since the election of Donald Trump they decided to pine, protest, and persecute ad infinitum. I kept wanting to email them and tell them, “I get it, you don’t like Donald Trump. I get it, you hate everything he does. I get it, you think he’s a lout, and a liar, and he has bad breath.” It simply became so tedious that I stopped listening, which I hated because I have so enjoyed these two over the years. Jay and I are of the same generation with similar affections for the Conservative movement, and I have been reading Mona Charen since the 90’s; so having to walk away was so very disappointing for me. I hope that a change of venue for both of them will give them a refreshed sense of perspective, as I am hopeful that I will be able to hear them with a refreshed sensibility.

    Thank you both Mona and Jay. I joined Ricochet in 2011 and have been listening since the first podcast. Thank you, even when I disagreed I so appreciated your thoughtful perspectives. Sorry that this administration has turned out to be such a misery for you both.

    I share many of the same thoughts and have a similar history with both. When the topic wasn’t Trump, I still found a lot to appreciate in this show. But the Trump segments became a dreary slog. Outrage exhaustion set in long ago. I still love revisiting Q&A and old episodes of Jaywalking.

    I wish them both the best, and say thanks for so many good memories.

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    • May 24, 2019, at 3:56 PM PDT
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  5. Coolidge

    Ditto. Too tedious. I have quit listening to this and Ordered Liberty. Thankfully, ricochet has many other great podcasts. It is a shame since those two podcasts filled an important niche re culture and music but the Trump stuff was like a stuck record. 

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    • May 24, 2019, at 8:54 PM PDT
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    “Oh. by the way, this will be our last podcast.” Maybe people didn’t really need to know. Maybe people became tired of being told what they needed to know, especially if it was mostly opinion and judgement.
    But maybe we are just descending into barbarity and lack worth. But I won’t comment. Adios, Mona.

    The perfect distillation of the snark, contempt and condescension that is the Beltway Swamp. Adios and Dosvedanya. Don’t let the door hit you on the ……

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    • May 25, 2019, at 5:08 AM PDT
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  7. Coolidge

    I found Jay and Mona to be correct about Trump. Where I have a problem is when they paint Kavanaugh, Barr and other republicans with the same brush. I’m sorry to see the Podcast go. I will look for Mona at The Bulwark.

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    • May 25, 2019, at 8:45 AM PDT
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    Marley's Ghost (View Comment):
    It simply became so tedious that I stopped listening, which I hated because I have so enjoyed these two over the years.

    Ditto.

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    • May 25, 2019, at 9:33 AM PDT
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    I guess I’ll never understand why Mona apparently takes to heart such obvious straw-man criticisms as being accused of treason (she acknowledges that the impact of the president’s stupid comments was not serious). It’s like she only hears, and responds to, the extremes. There’s been a lot of tough feedback to this podcast over the past few years, but no one on Ricochet has ever come close to accusing either Mona or Jay of treason. Why doesn’t that matter in her thinking? Why does she refuse to engage with genuine arguments coming from her interested, faithful listeners? One gets the sense she simply does not approve of, much less like appreciate, them. I heard no thank-yous to her audience, despite Jay’s invitation for her to do so. So be it.

    Not surprised she’s going to The Bulwark, since her son is already there. Affinity is much easier than community. And But, given her rigorously demanding sense of fair play, I’m amazed she’s okay going to a site that has gleefully made fun of pro-lifers and her old friend John Batchelor.

    I thank her for turning me on to his podcast. And I, too, wish her well.

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    • May 25, 2019, at 10:35 AM PDT
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    I guess I’ll never understand why Mona apparently takes to heart such obvious straw-man criticisms as being accused of treason (she acknowledges that the impact of the president’s stupid comments was not serious). It’s like she only hears, and responds to, the extremes. There’s been a lot of tough feedback to this podcast over the past few years, but no one on Ricochet has ever come close to accusing either Mona or Jay of treason. Why doesn’t that matter in her thinking? Why does she refuse to engage with genuine arguments coming from her interested, faithful listeners? One gets the sense she simply does not approve of, much less like appreciate, them. I heard no thank-yous to her audience, despite Jay’s invitation for her to do so. So be it.

    Not surprised she’s going to The Bulwark, since her son is already there. Affinity is much easier than community. And But, given her rigorously demanding sense of fair play, I’m amazed she’s okay going to a site that has gleefully made fun of pro-lifers and her old friend John Batchelor.

    I thank her for turning me on to his podcast. And I, too, wish her well.

    John’s one of the few broadcasters who is interested in space. He gets extra credit for having me on his program. https://audioboom.com/posts/6542405-hotel-mars-60-years-since-flopnik-vanguard-david-livingston-spaceshow-com-richard-easton-au

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    • May 25, 2019, at 7:03 PM PDT
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    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

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    • May 26, 2019, at 5:36 AM PDT
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

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    • May 26, 2019, at 6:44 AM PDT
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    Should’ve suspected something when I heard Mona on a war crimes/pro-life podcast last week with Charlie Sykes at Bulwark. It was obvious what a better fit she is at Bulwark and its Never Trump community. Kudos to them for seeing it and bringing her on. I’m getting pretty used to switching media sources these last few years. Best of luck at Bulwark, Mona!

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    • May 26, 2019, at 8:51 AM PDT
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    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    They chose to hire her. 

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    • May 26, 2019, at 9:02 AM PDT
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    They chose to hire her.

    Completely missing the point.

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    • May 26, 2019, at 9:15 AM PDT
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    Can’t be doing too bad if you’re still peddling 3 month old stories about one of their most infrequent contributors. Haven’t you got any fresher Bulwark outrages? Mona’s first podcast with Sykes was very good imo.

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    • May 26, 2019, at 9:23 AM PDT
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    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    They chose to hire her.

    Completely missing the point.

    This seems to be a trend at the bulwark.

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    • May 26, 2019, at 9:26 AM PDT
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    Can’t be doing too bad if you’re still peddling 3 month old stories about one of their most infrequent contributors. Haven’t you got any fresher Bulwark outrages? Mona’s first podcast with Sykes was very good imo.

    I was responding to a post which mentioned John Batchelor. And your comment about still peddling implies that I’ve mentioned it before.

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    • May 26, 2019, at 9:27 AM PDT
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    They chose to hire her.

    Completely missing the point.

    This seems to be a trend at the bulwark.

    My god, you’re right. Two people at the Bulwark have deleted one of their tweets. This is unprecedented!

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    • May 26, 2019, at 10:26 AM PDT
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    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    Yet more straw-man arguments. Obviously The Bulwark has its merits. And anyone who wants to should write for and/or read it. But I’m dubious of their ethics, since they seem indifferent to personal attacks and downright meanness when they’re the ones doing it. (Actually, they’re pretty honest about their desire to ostracize those conservatives who support the president’s policies. See their review of Victor Davis Hanson’s book on Trump titled, amazingly enough, “Sophistry in the Service of Evil.”) We already have National Review for dispassionate but highly critical denunciations of Trump (see criticisms by the great Charles C.W. Cooke and Kevin Williamson, who keep focus on policy, not outrage, even as they take their own narrative swipes). But The Bulwark tacked in the direction of hiring a known, pro-choice freelancer to cover CPAC, surely knowing–hoping?–that ridicule would ensue. And once they got some grief for it, Kristol tweeted that people weren’t recognizing the coverage as “heterodox.” Whatever. I don’t read The Bulwark, so it may be that they have changed this approach. If so, good for them.

    As for Breitbart, I don’t read it either because of its problematic partisanship. And I don’t watch Fox News except during presidential election season. And I don’t hate Hannity, but he’s absolutely not my guy.

    But you’re totally wrong about Ricochet. Ricochet has never paid and sent someone to cover something, much less with a clear agenda. Ricochet doesn’t pay people to cover anything, but to post their articles and read and comment on others. And commenters can be tough. Even so, I cannot remember any error of this type by any Ricochet post author or member, and I’ve been here since 2010. In fact, our moderators have redacted hundreds of comments for being rude or otherwise breaking the code of conduct, much to the annoyance of some members.

    Like The Bulwark, I too feel embattled, but unlike them, it’s because of what I perceive to be the extremes of our culture behaving badly and calling it truth-telling. And I have no interest in policing an –ism. I’m looking for the middle–which, by the way, is not holding. …

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    • May 26, 2019, at 11:18 AM PDT
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  21. Reagan

    The bad news is that there will be many fewer minutes of Mona at Ricochet. She will be missed.

    The good news is that there will likely be many more minutes of Mona each week at The Bulwark. They already have the great Daily Bulwark, and the semi-weekly “Secret Podcast” by JVL and Sarah Longwell. A third podcast would be excellent.

    And the very good news is Ricochet’s class in allowing Mona to say good-bye in a respectful manner and to let traditional conservatives and Reagan Republicans know where to find her in the future.

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    • May 27, 2019, at 12:19 AM PDT
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

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    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    They chose to hire her.

    Exactly.

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    • May 27, 2019, at 7:10 AM PDT
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    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The bulwark is worse than I expected it to be. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/01/the-bulwarks-token-lib-deleted-a-tweet-mocking-a-cpac-panelist-who-is-battling-cancer/

    One person at the Bulwark made a mistake and, when informed of the mistake, immediately deleted the tweet.

    Yeah, that sounds like a rotten organization through and through. Nobody who works for Ricochet or Breitbart or Fox News has ever done anything so awful.

    They chose to hire her.

    Completely missing the point.

    Nope. You are.

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    • May 27, 2019, at 7:11 AM PDT
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    We already have National Review for dispassionate but highly critical denunciations of Trump (see criticisms by the great Charles C.W. Cooke and Kevin Williamson, who keep focus on policy, not outrage, even as they take their own narrative swipes).

    Well said. I wish Mona and Jay had used Charles and Kevin as models of how to criticize the right in the era of Trump. Dispassionate logic works. Emotional rage and snark doesn’t.

     

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    • May 27, 2019, at 7:24 AM PDT
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):
    Emotional rage

    Of all potential criticisms of Mona and Jay, surely this is the furthest from the reality, is it not? Have you ever seen either of them exhibit anything close to emotional rage?

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    • May 27, 2019, at 8:11 AM PDT
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  26. Admin

    For those asking, Jay will continue doing Q&A for us and will also be starting a music podcast (an idea I’ve been after him about for years) for The New Criterion that we will be distributing (Jay is their music critic). Very excited about that one.

    And as they mentioned on the show, we expect that Jay and Mona will occasionally reunite for new episodes of Need To Know. 

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    • May 27, 2019, at 3:25 PM PDT
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  27. Lincoln

    I wonder how often President’s personally go through transcripts of a trial and use that as the basis for issuing a pardon? My guess is never, maybe with extreme skimming, or focusing on some specific and recommended segment.

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    • May 28, 2019, at 7:43 AM PDT
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  28. Lincoln

    I had not actually been to the bulwark yet, and I just visited for the first time. I thought it was supposed to focus on this amazing available space of non-biased reporting. It looks like just another pundit site to me… It seems like there are plenty of anti-Trump people here on Ricochet podcasts, so I also don’t see the need for their podcast section yet. I realize it’s still a young site, so maybe in a a year or so I’ll be like, woah! this is some serious hard-hitting, non-biased center-right reporting, but right now I am quite skeptical.

    What I think could be useful, new, and needed is if they would provide a space for center-right reporting on state and local politics especially since newspapers are dying. It would probably take a lot of volunteers to get something like that going though…

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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):
    And I don’t hate Hannity, but he’s absolutely not my guy.

    He sure bet on the right guy in the 2016 election. I don’t care for him but he was lucky or insightful. I rarely watch TV at all except for Tucker Carlson once a week or so.

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    • May 28, 2019, at 9:08 AM PDT
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):
    Dispassionate logic works. Emotional rage and snark doesn’t.

    Has anyone else seen Norman Podhoretz’ interview in the latest Claremont Review of Books ?

    Warning: He went from NeverTrump to vote for him to enthusiast. Very interesting interview.

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    • May 28, 2019, at 9:10 AM PDT
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