National Review’s Ian Tuttle joins Jay and Mona to talk about BuzzFeed and the press, among many other things. They consider whether, on balance, the past few weeks have been good for conservatism. There were one and a half cheers for Rex Tillerson, and some full-throated enthusiasm for others. Does the cabinet matter, when DT is in the Oval? Jay and Mona differ.

The podcast closes with thoughts about the “real America.” 

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There are 17 comments.

  1. Franco Member

    Is anyone listening?

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    • January 13, 2017, at 8:14 PM PDT
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  2. The Question Inactive

    Franco (View Comment):
    Is anyone listening?

    Yes. It was an interesting discussion about Trump’s cabinet nominees.

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    • January 13, 2017, at 10:14 PM PDT
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  3. Henry Castaigne Member

    The Question (View Comment):
    Yes. It was an interesting discussion about Trump’s cabinet nominees.

    There is alot to talk about with Trump’s nominees but are they still repeating the repetitive and bashing Trump instead of talking about Russia and/or the possibility of normalizing school choice?

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    • January 14, 2017, at 11:57 AM PDT
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  4. Mona Charen Contributor

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    The Question (View Comment):
    Yes. It was an interesting discussion about Trump’s cabinet nominees.

    There is alot to talk about with Trump’s nominees but are they still repeating the repetitive and bashing Trump instead of talking about Russia and/or the possibility of normalizing school choice?

    Did you listen to the podcast?

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    • January 14, 2017, at 12:40 PM PDT
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  5. Benjamin Glaser Member

    I was pretty shocked that Jay knew nothing about Buzzfeed.

    Great discussion as usual.

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    • January 14, 2017, at 2:54 PM PDT
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  6. Henry Castaigne Member

    Mona Charen (View Comment):
    Did you listen to the podcast?

    Not yet. I know have an audible subscription so I’m getting choosier with podcasts. Thus the questioning before listening.

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    • January 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM PDT
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  7. Henry Castaigne Member

    Since Mona commented, I listened to it. It was good.

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    • January 14, 2017, at 6:12 PM PDT
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  8. Lois Lane Coolidge

    I also enjoyed the podcast. I related to a lot of things that were said. However, there was one thing that I would like to comment upon, for what it’s worth.

    There was a point when Mona said she never listens to Fox News with the tone that I might use when I say I never read The National Enquirer. After their Trump boosterism (of years), which I found pretty nauseating, I understand this, but I think it is a mistake for several reasons.

    One, Fox is an important influencer of many people within the Republican coalition. Therefore, it is good to know what is said there. Necessary even.

    Two, Fox is not just opinion shows like Hannity, which I found very difficult to listen to at length long before Trump was a candidate, or even coffee klatch journalism that is so prevalent on cable now. Special Report is a very good news program even with panels that lean right… like I do.

    Three, when one says I never listen to what is recognized as the only television news source that leans right–one eschews this network because…. whatever–then it comes across as a complete rejection of a source many people find legitimate.

    It’s like not trying to understand the impact of Buzzfeed, even if, as Jay says, it’s called Buzzfeed. (Oi.)

    Worse, the tone feels as if one is above Fox, which reaches many more people than the very fine NR or the Weekly Standard.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 6:24 AM PDT
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  9. Mona Charen Contributor

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I also enjoyed the podcast. I related to a lot of things that were said. However, there was one thing that I would like to comment upon, for what it’s worth.

    There was a point when Mona said she never listens to Fox News with the tone that I might use when I say I never read The National Enquirer. After their Trump boosterism (of years), which I found pretty nauseating, I understand this, but I think it is a mistake for several reasons.

    One, Fox is an important influencer of many people within the Republican coalition. Therefore, it is good to know what is said there. Necessary even.

    Two, Fox is not just opinion shows like Hannity, which I found very difficult to listen to at length long before Trump was a candidate, or even coffee klatch journalism that is so prevalent on cable now. Special Report is a very good news program even with panels that lean right… like I do.

    Three, when one says I never listen to what is recognized as the only television news source that leans right–one eschews this network because…. whatever–then it comes across as a complete rejection of a source many people find legitimate.

    It’s like not trying to understand the impact of Buzzfeed, even if, as Jay says, it’s called Buzzfeed. (Oi.)

    Worse, the tone feels as if one is above Fox, which reaches many more people than the very fine NR or the Weekly Standard.

    You are totally right. I don’t even know why I said that! I do watch Special Report all the time. Call it a brain meltdown. There are other shows on Fox that I haven’t watched for years, like Hannity and O’Reilly. The tone of disdain you rightly identified in my voice was for them. But I respect Bret Baier, Brit Hume, and others.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 9:11 AM PDT
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  10. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Mona Charen (View Comment):
    There are other shows on Fox that I haven’t watched for years, like Hannity and O’Reilly. The tone of disdain you rightly identified in my voice was for them. But I respect Bret Baier, Brit Hume, and others.

    I’m right there with you, sis-tah. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. Sometimes one has to take the pulse of those dudes, too, but yeah. I can only handle them in very, very small doses. Simply not my cup of tea either, and life is too short to drink vinegar. ;)

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    • January 15, 2017, at 3:14 PM PDT
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  11. Egg Man Member

    I am somewhat sympathetic to the perspective offered regarding Tillerson and his ignorance of the international issues facing the US. But Mona really lost me on the idea that the CEO of ExxonMobile could not be a “nice” person.

    I think she should consider that this attitude is bordering on Obamaism:without knowing anything about his character nor his private life, you make a judgement purely base on his business title. I am more than disappointed that this could be expressed by an NR author on a Ricochet podcast.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 5:55 PM PDT
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  12. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    To get back to the main topic of the Podcast:

    Yes, the cabinet does matter. I hope Trump delegates to them, and working with the committee chairmen, all put forward meaningful reform packages for each department. It would be a reform tsunami, by the time the mid term campaigns are in full swing, all these congressmen will have a solid accomplishment(s) to run on.

    One thing I was disappointed with – in the confirmation hearings – is that there was very little substance. Other than Tillerson correctly stating that the Ukraine deserved military support (aide) – and I think that should be a lesson to all nations, dont give up tangible assets for empty promises. The Ukraine should have held onto those Russian nukes or became a full member of NATO – either option would have irritated Russia, but in either case Putin wouldnt feel he had a free hand in the former soviet republics, today.

    One criticism I would have of this edition of the podcast, is that for a time Mona and Jay got into a debate excluding their guest. I would have preferred they let their guest speak, and then debate between themselves after the guest had departed. It just seemed to be a breakdown of etiquette.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 5:56 PM PDT
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  13. Duane Iverson Member

    the man WHO traveled IN elephantsIt is as good as Leaf by Niggle by Tolkein and a good mind clenzer. It would take about a half hour to read.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 7:25 PM PDT
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  14. Duane Iverson Member

    The end of the podcast put me in mind of a wonderful mind-clenzing story titled The Man Who Traveled in Eliphants by Robert A. Heinlein. It takes about a half hour to read and you’ll have tears in your eyes by the end. It is a bbeautiful story.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 7:28 PM PDT
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  15. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Egg Man (View Comment):
    I am somewhat sympathetic to the perspective offered regarding Tillerson and his ignorance of the international issues facing the US. But Mona really lost me on the idea that the CEO of ExxonMobile could not be a “nice” person.

    I think she should consider that this attitude is bordering on Obamaism:without knowing anything about his character nor his private life, you make a judgement purely base on his business title

    I think that we all think at times in shorthand. For example, I don’t think anyone could even want to be president of the United States without a healthy dose of narcissism… I mean, one has to have a big league ego to think one can withstand the slings and arrows of running a country as large as this one, and that was true long before Trump.

    However, I do get what you mean with that particular comment. I think it’s fair to say a CEO of a giant company is probably not very present at a lot of family events. (Every second is pretty programmed.) But I’ve known very moral, good, nice men who were CEOs. Oil doesn’t deter me.

    The fact that this man is from Texas and didn’t go to the most “elite” schools makes me think he might even be nicer than some. But I don’t now. I think it’s fair to not judge.

    That said, I also think Mona is a good analyst.

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    • January 15, 2017, at 8:08 PM PDT
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  16. Lazy_Millennial Member

    Ian Tuttle? Excellent. I was excited to see he got an article in the “What Now?” issue of NR, and he did great. He’s really been finding his voice lately.

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    • January 17, 2017, at 8:41 AM PDT
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  17. milkchaser Member

    Ian bemoaned the trend of the press printing sensationalized rumor instead of the “old-fashioned” approach of only printing vetted, factual material. I am not sure that the press has ever actually been ethical in this regard. In any case, for an idea of what the old-fashioned Press used to do, watch “The Front Page” or its remake “His Girl Friday”. Or read Mencken’s auto-biography of his early days in the newspaper biz. I don’t think the Press ever got it right and sometimes never tried, so long as they could sell papers.

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    • January 19, 2017, at 7:55 AM PDT
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