National Review’s Charles C. W. Cooke joins Jay and Mona to speak of the campaign, the citizenry, the candidates, the press, incitement to violence, and other matters, including whether he, as an America-loving immigrant, has had any second thoughts about his adoptive nation due to this campaign – or rather what this campaign has revealed about the state of the nation.

Jay and Mona then discuss Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, confiscating other people’s property, and the comforts of music among other topics. The podcast closes with a Richard Rogers song that Jay thinks many an opera composer would have been proud to create.

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There are 25 comments.

  1. BuckeyeSam Inactive

    Incitement to violence! On, the hyperbole.

    Don’t run with scissors while supporting Trump.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 2:51 PM PST
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  2. Polyphemus Coolidge

    I have not listened yet but I am waiting for and wanting Mona and Jay to air their differences on Cruz. Mona carries a barely concealed contempt for him that seems almost irrational to me while Jay obviously knows him and has affection for him. Please hash this out and let us dissect this conflict. A lot of people seem to recoil from Cruz and I don’t quite get it myself. I would like to see Mona lay out her objections and see Jay rebut them. Unless I have missed it, they have too politely danced around this quite obvious divide between them. Time to hash it out.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 2:59 PM PST
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  3. Hoyacon Member

    Polyphemus:I have not listened yet but I am waiting for and wanting Mona and Jay to air their differences on Cruz. Mona carries a barely concealed contempt for him that seems almost irrational to me while Jay obviously knows him and has affection for him.

    I won’t argue this strongly, but, regarding Mona, I’ve missed it. I notice that it’s a rather popular opinion here. To me, the reasoning behind it seems more like: Mona dislikes Trump intensely; Trump is an outsider; Cruz is an outsider; ergo Mona dislikes Cruz.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 3:18 PM PST
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  4. Caleb J. Jones Inactive

    My only objection to Sen. Cruz is that his physical appearance and voice remind me very strongly of LBJ. There’s preciously little he can do about that, so I’ll just have to suck it up and go with him as is.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 5:33 PM PST
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  5. Eugene Kriegsmann Member

    I think that you both missed it. Mona’s feelings about Cruz reflect what I have heard from many women. Cruz has a certain hardness to his character, a lack of romance, perhaps. He is extremely pragmatic in the way in which he pursues his goals. This is only exacerbated by the way the media has portrayed him for a very long time. I don’t think that one can ignore the effect of media, particularly when it complements one’s preconceived notions.

    I have enormous respect for Mona. This is in no way a condemnation of her. I think she found Rubio an attractive candidate, so that she never really looked at Cruz in a positive light. He was just someone standing in the way of her favorite candidate.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 5:33 PM PST
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  6. Hoyacon Member

    Eugene Kriegsmann:I have enormous respect for Mona. This is in no way a condemnation of her. I think she found Rubio an attractive candidate, so that she never really looked at Cruz in a positive light. He was just someone standing in the way of her favorite candidate.

    My point was that I haven’t seen much, if any, indication that she views Cruz in a negative light. People seem to be extrapolating her distaste for Trump and preference for Rubio into a dislike of Cruz.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 7:07 PM PST
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  7. Al Kennedy Member
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    Jay’s unquestionable apologia for Ted Cruz regardless of what position Cruz takes does not make logical or electoral sense. I know Cruz is a good friend of his, and that probably colors Jay’s view of him, but it negates Jay’s credibility. It’s been a long electoral season listening to Jay’s hymns to Ted regardless of the facts. Besides “walking thru glass”, has Cruz demonstrated any ability to work with whoever is in Congress in order to repeal Obamacare. I don’t think so. Cruz’ brilliance and unchecked ambition have brought him a long way, but he has not made enough friends to govern effectively.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 7:41 PM PST
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  8. Polyphemus Coolidge

    Hoyacon:

    Eugene Kriegsmann:I have enormous respect for Mona. This is in no way a condemnation of her. I think she found Rubio an attractive candidate, so that she never really looked at Cruz in a positive light. He was just someone standing in the way of her favorite candidate.

    My point was that I haven’t seen much, if any, indication that she views Cruz in a negative light. People seem to be extrapolating her distaste for Trump and preference for Rubio into a dislike of Cruz.

    Oh I’ve heard it directly from her. I am not inferring it. She obviously would support him over Trump because, well, she is not stupid. But she has not tried to conceal her distaste for him. What I have not heard is her elaborating on her reasons, beyond some brief assertions about his motives or behavior.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 10:07 PM PST
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  9. listeningin Inactive

    I wanted to suggest that rather than send the next gen. to Nicaragua, we send them to the rural, village community in Ethiopia where over 150 people were murdered by Marxists who terrorized their community and targeted the religious leaders…Muslim, Orthodox Christian, and the evangelical minority until there was nobody left that threatened their power. I was there to conduct research, and one of the theorists I was engaging was Paulo Freire, a Marxist educational theorist who went to his death defending the use of the school system to radicalize the next generation. It was a remarkable experience to hear stories from gentle, gracious,non-literate (though profoundly wise) elder men from a developing nation…as good a representation of the marginalized of society as one can find, discuss the horrific oppression of the Marxist regime against the very people they claimed to be fighting for and the total transformation that came in the 90s when the power of worldwide communism was crushed with the toppling of the Soviet Union. Reagan did more for the marginalized across the world than any other human in the last generation…though of course I attribute the true movement behind the scenes to Christ, as would the elder men who told me their stories.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 11:22 PM PST
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  10. Crow's Nest Inactive

    Mona and Jay have discussed this, sometimes in open terms and other times obliquely. To some extent it is the recrudescence of the same battle that was raging during the government shutdown debates, or the numerous other internecine conflicts on the right about how and where to oppose the Obama administration, and what the Bush administration got right and wrong.

    Mona’s view, I believe, is the following: Running against Washington is a perennial tactic employed by Republicans, and in that way Cruz’s “Washington Cartel” is well within the mainstay of the Republican tradition (at least since Reagan). However, Cruz does go somewhat beyond the usual strategy of running against Washington because the cartel, in his usage, includes a lot of his own party. His use of invective in this way has helped stoke anger against an establishment which is part truth and part phantom….to the point now where Tea Party candidates with strongly conservative voting records are viewed as having been guilty of a greater betrayal and apostasy than the Left. That Cruz’s rhetoric has been deployed largely in the service of his own ambition and rise to prominence, rather than as part of a serious attempt to govern in the opposition, rubs some conservatives the wrong way.

    Where you come down on this and other issues largely comes down to how far gone you think the Republic is, and what might (or must) be done to save it–and how much of that can or should be done by Republicans at the national level.

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    • March 11, 2016, at 11:39 PM PST
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  11. Scott R Member
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    GREAT summary, Crow”sNest. To that last paragraph I’d add “… and whether you accept and acknowledge that Republican senators from bluer states must cope with a more touchy set of political realities than senators from Texas.”

    But we should praise Mona because she, like many of us Cruz-wary Republicans, has now urged the party to suck it up and embrace Cruz, egos be damned. Bravo, Mona.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 7:50 AM PST
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  12. Scott R Member
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    And for those of us with deep reservations about Cruz, it’s reassuring that a trusted, good soul like Jay Nordlinger vouches for him.

    It’s not dispositive, but it really helps.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 7:59 AM PST
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  13. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    Let me say I’m not a Trump supporter but all three of you avoided what you think is the alternative , I prefer a Trump restrained by half the Republicans and all the Democrats and all the press to a Hillary unrestrained by anything. He’s not my first choice but he has the least capacity to do real damage. As someone said yesterday , Trump might give us some bad judges but Hillary absolutely will give us insane radicals.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 9:43 AM PST
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  14. Leslie Watkins Member
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    I question why National Review chose to make their endorsement now, before Florida. Here Rubio falls on the sword, and in so doing basically destroys his campaign, while Kasich and Cruz continue to play a coy strategy. Couldn’t the magazine wait at least until Florida to see if Marco’s still viable? Cruz’s strategy makes sense, but Kasich hasn’t won any primaries or states, whereas Rubio has won two. Where does Kasich get off thinking he’s got a chance? And this is why I’m put off by them both: each thinks he is morally superior and not just a man with ambition who would like to run the country. Cruz will never beat Hillary. It will be a runaway if those two are pitted against each other. Trump could perhaps beat Hillary, in no small part by attracting lots of African Americans and disaffected whites who don’t usually vote. Not Cruz. Nevertheless, on Tuesday I will vote for Marco Rubio, the one who sacrificed himself for others.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 10:47 AM PST
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  15. Elaine Minamide Member

    Leslie Watkins:I question why National Review chose to make their endorsement now, before Florida. Here Rubio falls on the sword, and in so doing basically destroys his campaign, while Kasich and Cruz continue to play a coy strategy. Couldn’t the magazine wait at least until Florida to see if Marco’s still viable? Cruz’s strategy makes sense, but Kasich hasn’t won any primaries or states, whereas Rubio has won two. Where does Kasich get off thinking he’s got a chance? And this is why I’m put off by them both . . . Nevertheless, on Tuesday I will vote for Marco Rubio, the one who sacrificed himself for others.

    I lost all respect for Kasich after his campaign dissed Rubio after he (Rubio) asked his supporters in Ohio to support Kasich. Ditto for Cruz who is apparently so determined to destroy Rubio that he continues to campaign hard in Florida rather than unite as a party to deny Trump the Florida delegates. These guys smell blood, and I guess this is how politics is played. But as a spectator, I am repelled watching players on my team apparently willing to forfeit the trophy by kneecapping one of their own teammates.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 12:43 PM PST
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  16. GirlWithAPearl Inactive

    Mona and Jay, this was one of your best and deepest conversations (even tho I could feel you holding each other back at times) tinged with the sadness I feel and so much regret over the current situation. I thank you both for putting so much of yourselves out there, to my benefit. Two finer people I cannot name.

    Then, the beauty of Something Wonderful at the close…was that Marilyn Horne by any chance? And I agree with Jay that song rises to the level of an operatic aria. I own Bryn Terfels album by that title and do so love his rendition, but your choice was marvelous and I’d love to own it. Presently I own 7 superb renditions of my #1 favorite song, Shenandoah. Can’t have too much of a good thing.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 8:19 PM PST
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  17. rico Inactive

    I really appreciated Mr. Nordlinger’s closing comment on music without words: “A world of notes is a realm apart.”

    For me, this has always been the case. And that sentence is perhaps the closest words can come to describing what music is.

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    • March 12, 2016, at 11:57 PM PST
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  18. Nick Baldock Member

    I often agree with Mona Charen, and perhaps never more than with her description of Lincoln Center’s SOUTH PACIFIC as one of the finest productions ever seen onstage anywhere.

    I disagree, however, with her nomination of Venezuela as the ‘obvious result’ of socialist policies. Nobody seriously advocates Venezuela: my generation (mid-thirties) and younger see Western Europe as the shining example, with guaranteed healthcare and maternity cover and other nice things; and, apocalyptic future or not, there is no denying that Western Europe is still a quite good place to be living.

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    • March 13, 2016, at 1:50 PM PDT
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  19. Ario IronStar Inactive

    Hoyacon:

    Eugene Kriegsmann:I have enormous respect for Mona. This is in no way a condemnation of her. I think she found Rubio an attractive candidate, so that she never really looked at Cruz in a positive light. He was just someone standing in the way of her favorite candidate.

    My point was that I haven’t seen much, if any, indication that she views Cruz in a negative light. People seem to be extrapolating her distaste for Trump and preference for Rubio into a dislike of Cruz.

    No, Mona doesn’t like Cruz. She’s been much more circumspect in criticizing Cruz since Trump became the number one concern, and now she seems to have accepted Cruz as the best realistic option. But back at the beginning, she was scathing in her criticism even in the face of Jay’s affection for Cruz. Even as recently as about a month ago, Mona wrote a long piece blaming talk radio (Rush, Levin, etc.) and other “purist” media for engendering contempt for the GOP, but she also therein specifically blamed Cruz’s antics similarly, and excoriated him as a destructive self-seeker.

    So, yeah, she loathes Cruz for Cruz. Trump has nothing to do with that.

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    • March 13, 2016, at 6:49 PM PDT
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  20. Ario IronStar Inactive

    Al Kennedy:Jay’s unquestionable apologia for Ted Cruz regardless of what position Cruz takes does not make logical or electoral sense. I know Cruz is a good friend of his, and that probably colors Jay’s view of him, but it negates Jay’s credibility. It’s been a long electoral season listening to Jay’s hymns to Ted regardless of the facts. Besides “walking thru glass”, has Cruz demonstrated any ability to work with whoever is in Congress in order to repeal Obamacare. I don’t think so. Cruz’ brilliance and unchecked ambition have brought him a long way, but he has not made enough friends to govern effectively.

    This is a pretty typical criticism of Cruz. “He doesn’t get along with anyone.” But if you notice, that’s pretty much the extent (and full substance) of the criticism.

    But given recent evidence, a President doesn’t seem to need to get along to do everything he wants to do. Obama is universally despised, which of course includes his own party in Congress. He’s gotten everything that could possibly have been delivered by the Democrat contingents he does have, despite the hate.

    To be fair to Cruz, he has worked with colleagues. He’s sponsored and publicly led I think 25 successful pieces of legislation. It’s just that his bomb-throwing has gotten a lot more attention.

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    • March 13, 2016, at 7:07 PM PDT
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  21. Ario IronStar Inactive

    I’ll submit my usual correction to Mona.

    Mona thinks that Ted Cruz or talk radio or other rabble-rousers are to blame for the fracture of the GOP during this primary season. These dastardly righter-than-thou (to use Jay’s formulation) myopics have poisoned the voter’s minds and turned them against a serious party who, for the most part, acted nobly in opposition to Obama and the leftist agenda.

    The fact is, the longstanding GOP candidates (the governors and congressmen who have been GOP team players) have garnered a collective 30% of the vote (rounding up!) There is no conceivable way that Rush, Levin, and Cruz could have turned 70% of GOP voters against the insiders if the party was behaving in something approaching a satisfactory manner.

    Here’s what really happened and who’s to blame: 1) The GOP talked a good game on the campaign trail, but played it safe once in office so as not to frighten the swing voters 2) The GOP leadership has been utterly convinced that we need to open our borders, to hell with what their constituents think.

    Mona cheered both of the above paths and pointedly said anyone who balks at these is stupid. The GOP (and Mona) thought they could tell them to go screw, because where they gonna go?

    70% of them went somewhere else (35% Trump, 30% Cruz, 5% Carson). That didn’t happen because of Rush, Levin, or Cruz.

    The GOP (and Mona) screwed up.

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    • March 13, 2016, at 7:21 PM PDT
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  22. Grosseteste Member

    I really enjoyed the podcast, but is Mona a volunteer firefighter? If not, why does she have her phone on and ringing while she’s recording a podcast?

    James Delingpole’s podcasts also suffer from this, and while Mona hasn’t yet reached James’s level of leaving his co-host out to dry on a monologue while taking a phone call during a recorded podcast, it’s still off-putting. I’m mentioning it with regard to this show and not that one, because I think JD may be beyond help. I have a good idea that Lileks is plugged in to the nerve center of his communications empire during podcasts, ask him for advice on being more discreet.

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  23. Al Kennedy Member
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    Ario IronStar:

    Al Kennedy:It’s been a long electoral season listening to Jay’s hymns to Ted regardless of the facts. Besides “walking thru glass”, has Cruz demonstrated any ability to work with whoever is in Congress in order to repeal Obamacare. I don’t think so. Cruz’ brilliance and unchecked ambition have brought him a long way, but he has not made enough friends to govern effectively.

    But given recent evidence, a President doesn’t seem to need to get along to do everything he wants to do. Obama is universally despised, which of course includes his own party in Congress. He’s gotten everything that could possibly have been delivered by the Democrat contingents he does have, despite the hate.

    To be fair to Cruz, he has worked with colleagues. He’s sponsored and publicly led I think 25 successful pieces of legislation. It’s just that his bomb-throwing has gotten a lot more attention.

    President Obama was not universally despised by the Democrats who crafted and passed legislation he wanted. I agree with most of Frank Soto’s post here. Cruz is not trusted or respected by his colleagues.

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    • March 14, 2016, at 1:02 AM PDT
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  24. Ario IronStar Inactive

    Al Kennedy:

    Ario IronStar:

    Al Kennedy:It’s been a long electoral season listening to Jay’s hymns to Ted regardless of the facts. Besides “walking thru glass”, has Cruz demonstrated any ability to work with whoever is in Congress in order to repeal Obamacare. I don’t think so. Cruz’ brilliance and unchecked ambition have brought him a long way, but he has not made enough friends to govern effectively.

    But given recent evidence, a President doesn’t seem to need to get along to do everything he wants to do. Obama is universally despised, which of course includes his own party in Congress. He’s gotten everything that could possibly have been delivered by the Democrat contingents he does have, despite the hate.

    To be fair to Cruz, he has worked with colleagues. He’s sponsored and publicly led I think 25 successful pieces of legislation. It’s just that his bomb-throwing has gotten a lot more attention.

    President Obama was not universally despised by the Democrats who crafted and passed legislation he wanted. I agree with most of Frank Soto’s post here. Cruz is not trusted or respected by his colleagues.

    There is no doubt Cruz rubs a lot of people the wrong way. So does Obama. Obama is in fact despised by those same people who crafted and passed the legislation. They just had the same goals, that’s all.

    Notwithstanding that Cruz is not a Reagan personality, Frank’s piece is a cartoon.

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    • March 14, 2016, at 6:01 AM PDT
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  25. Rightfromthestart Coolidge

    Grosseteste:I really enjoyed the podcast, but is Mona a volunteer firefighter? If not, why does she have her phone on and ringing while she’s recording a podcast?

    James Delingpole’s podcasts also suffer from this, and while Mona hasn’t yet reached James’s level of leaving his co-host out to dry on a monologue while taking a phone call during a recorded podcast, it’s still off-putting. I’m mentioning it with regard to this show and not that one, because I think JD may be beyond help. I have a good idea that Lileks is plugged in to the nerve center of his communications empire during podcasts, ask him for advice on being more discreet.

    Ha, Ha , I made a similar comment on the last Podhoretz podcast , he’s always surrounded by wailing sirens, at some point it actually becomes funny, it sounds like he’s in the middle of a raging inferno.

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    • March 14, 2016, at 2:28 PM PDT
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