When it comes to guns, it seems doubtful. Mona and Jay talk discourse, extremism, and the seeming elusiveness of serious policy discussion.

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  1. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    I appreciate you people extolling the virtues of thoughtful discussion about important issues. On the subject of guns, and specifically on the wisdom of allowing armed staff within schools, I think your show would have benefited if you’d delved a little more deeply into the idea.

    At the 44:00 mark, Mona observes that she’s “rethinking” the adage that “the best solution for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” pointing out that “in this case you did have a good guy with a gun.”

    Well, no, we really didn’t. While there were tens of thousands of good guys with guns, they were all outside of the building. And that’s the point of allowing the people inside, the ones who are actually engaging the bad guy with the gun, to have guns of their own.

    Given that arming the school staff is arguably the only quick and relatively inexpensive way of addressing the risk of school shootings, and also the approach least fraught with Constitutional and civil libertarian challenges, I think it deserved something more than a casual dismissal on the way to talking about new gun control alternatives.

    We should be having a real discussion about individual responsibility as it applies to defending our nation’s “soft targets.”

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  2. George Townsend Inactive
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    @GeorgeTownsend

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I appreciate you people extolling the virtues of thoughtful discussion about important issues. On the subject of guns, and specifically on the wisdom of allowing armed staff within schools, I think your show would have benefited if you’d delved a little more deeply into the idea.

    At the 44:00 mark, Mona observes that she’s “rethinking” the adage that “the best solution for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” pointing out that “in this case you did have a good guy with a gun.”

    Well, no, we really didn’t. While there were tens of thousands of good guys with guns, they were all outside of the building. And that’s the point of allowing the people inside, the ones who are actually engaging the bad guy with the gun, to have guns of their own.

    Given that arming the school staff is arguably the only quick and relatively inexpensive way of addressing the risk of school shootings, and also the approach least fraught with Constitutional and civil libertarian challenges, I think it deserved something more than a casual dismissal on the way to talking about new gun control alternatives.

    We should be having a real discussion about individual responsibility as it applies to defending our nation’s “soft targets.”

    This is a good comment, Henry. But Mona and Jay had their points too. The saying about a good guy and a bad guy is simplistic. As you say, the good guys were outside. But isn’t that part of the point? You just can’t say to arm a good guy, and all will be well. It depends what the good guy is willing to do.

    The thing I always hated about talking gun control is, as is typical with The Left, it is just short-hand for People Control, which The Left always has in mind. I’d be willing to discuss aspects of gun control at the proper time. But the left has to be taught to realize that guns are a tool. What matters is the person holding the tool. But, of course, they will never understand that, as a leftist cannot grasp that it is the individual citizen who matters most.

    On Trump, and Mona’s interview with Brookhiser: She encapsulated my view very nicely when she said that, even if we would win fighting dirty, it wrong.

    You know, the first time I really got to know you is your brilliant essay on The Ends Justifying The Means. This is what I am fighting against. The New Conservatives (I.E., Populists) seem to believe that, as long as you win, it doesn’t matter how. I will never forgive Trump for that attitude, nor for behaving in a manner which God weeps over. If that sounds Momma’s Boyish, so be it!

    PS. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MONA. AND TO YOUR SON!

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  3. filmklassik Member
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    @filmklassik

    I can’t prove it, but I think Mona is in the midst of a Great Awakening regarding her own views on politics and the world. A few examples —

    CONSERVATIVE OPINION: Broken window policies and stop-and-frisk laws were the primary reason for the decrease in crime.

    Mona, one week ago: “I’m rethinking that now.”

    CONSERVATIVE OPINION: The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    Mona, this week: “I’m rethinking that too.”

    Then, a few moments later:

    “I’m not saying we should ban guns. Because we can’t. For a whole variety of reasons. It’s too much part of our culture, too many people would object, blah blah blah. And they do serve some good functions in our society like deterring crime. Whatever.”

    Mona, on December 15 2017: “Well here’s a question for you (Jay). Assuming that there was a Democrat who was not a Bernie Sanders raging socialist but your run-of-the-mill regular old Democrat, somebody of good character … somebody who is honest, doesn’t lie all the time, doesn’t engage in the embarrassing and thoroughly demoralizing behavior that our current President does … would you vote for such a Democrat over Trump in 2020?”

    Mona answered her own question a few minutes later:

    “I find that the biggest stumbling block for me is abortion. It’s one of those issues where I would feel dirty somehow if I voted for somebody who was a big pro-choicer. So that’s something that I have to think through.”

    Yes, I’m fairly sure that after 35 years as a Conservative thinker, writer and pundit, Mona is experiencing a Great Awakening, and it can’t be a coincidence that it is happening now, at this Trumpian moment.

    She has been urged in this direction by our Jackass-in-Chief, and the many people she has known and respected who threw in with him.

    And my own feeling is that, while the election of Trump was sad, the defection of people like Mona to the Left is even sadder.

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  4. Quake Voter Inactive
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    One of the biggest obstacles to thoughtful consideration is catchpenny memes.

    When did cowards who stood by while children were being slaughtered become “good guys”?

    Sure, I realize the need for tactical prudence when Bloods are shooting Crips, but these were children being executed.

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  5. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    And my own feeling is, that while the election of Trump was sad, the defection of people like Mona to the Left is even sadder.

    This is really silly. She hasn’t defected to the Left. The abortion thing, for example, just to name one thing, shows that. She said she would feel dirty voting for someone with pro-abortion views. She would only do it as last resort. Suppose you had two pro-choices running? What do you do then? She is just being thoughtful, as opposed to knee-jerk, which is what I thought conservatism was all about.

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  6. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    This is a good comment, Henry.

    Thank you, George.

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    But Mona and Jay had their points too.

    I’m not disputing that, but it’s beside my point, which was pretty specific: Mona casually dismissed the question of arming citizens within the school — probably the most effective thing we can do, and certainly the one least likely to run afoul of Constitutional and civil rights protections. Given the call to thoughtful discourse that began the show, and given her flirtation during the show with increased gun control, it seemed a particularly glaring lapse.

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  7. Henry Racette Contributor
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    @HenryRacette

    @Monacharen, before you rethink that “good man with a gun” adage too much, consider that it only helps to have a good man with a gun if he shows up.

    And that is the entire point of allowing the people inside the school to be armed: they will show up. Because they’re already there.

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  8. George Townsend Inactive
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    @GeorgeTownsend

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Given the call to thoughtful discourse

    This is my point, Henry. I believe it is Mona’s. You probably know more about guns than either of us. I took the gun control part of the show as saying that she was willing to discuss options. As am I. As I said, in my comments, I hate talking about this as the first option. It is stupid. But neither Mona nor I are dismissing this talk out of hand. I think this is being responsible and thoughtful, not a sign that either of us are defecting to the Left.

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  9. Henry Racette Contributor
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    @HenryRacette

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Given the call to thoughtful discourse

    This is my point, Henry. I believe it is Mona’s. You probably know more about guns than either of us. I took the gun control part of the show as saying that she was willing to discuss options. As am I. As I said, in my comments, I hate talking about this as the first option. It is stupid. But neither Mona nor I are dismissing this talk out of hand. I think this is being responsible and thoughtful, not a sign that either of us are defecting to the Left.

    George, my friend, again let me say that my comment was very specific, and about as gentle a criticism as I could make.

    Regarding the very worthy (my opinion) idea of allowing school staff to be armed, Mona’s entire response was, to paraphrase, “we tried good men with guns and that didn’t work.”

    The idea deserves to be seriously considered — to warrant at least as much discussion as she gave to various gun control ideas that not only won’t work, but that are Constitutionally challenging as well. But, yes, she really did dismiss it out of hand. Perhaps she and Jay could return to it on a future show, and give it the thoughtful attention it deserves.

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  10. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    And my own feeling is, that while the election of Trump was sad, the defection of people like Mona to the Left is even sadder.

    This is really silly. She hasn’t defected to the Left. The abortion thing, for example, just to name one thing, shows that. She said she would feel dirty voting for someone with pro-abortion views. She would only do it as last resort. Suppose you had two pro-choices running? What do you do then? She is just being thoughtful, as opposed to knee-jerk, which is what I thought conservatism was all about.

    Read what she said. She pointed to abortion as the one stumbling block. Not a host of issues. Not a handful of issues. Just one. Abortion. That, for Mona, is what it has come down to. In other words, the bulwark between Mona and the Left is crumbling by the day, because of our (odious) Commander in Chief and the people whom she once respected, and in many cases revered, who (odiously) threw in with him.

    I felt betrayed too. But since I am not a Conservative thinker or pundit and indeed have only been right of center for 10 years or so, I felt the betrayal far less acutely than she did. But it was definitely there.

    Is Mona a Leftist? She is not. Will it shock me if we see an essay from her in the next few years titled “Why I Left the Right”? It will not.

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  11. George Townsend Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Perhaps she and Jay could return to it on a future show, and give it the thoughtful attention it deserves.

    We can agree on this. I would lean toward the proposal myself.

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  12. Leslie Watkins Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    And my own feeling is, that while the election of Trump was sad, the defection of people like Mona to the Left is even sadder.

    I would just like to know where these well-behaved, mature, non-lying Democratic candidates are. I too would be willing to vote for a Democrat if he or she was into building the middle rather than the fringe, and I don’t see anyone like that in public life. Do you? And though I’m not into debating the virtues of either fringe element, the Leftist fringe is, to me, much more dangerous.

    I felt betrayed too. But since I am not a Conservative thinker or pundit and indeed have only been right of center for 10 years or so, I felt the betrayal far less acutely than she did. But it was definitely there.

    I don’t understand this feeling of betrayal. Politics is not the place to expect/demand goodness. Perhaps it was once a noble calling but not anymore. Politics is the battle for power over the community, not the battle for community. That only happens through individual human development and character building, one-on-one, that then develops into a community rather than just an affinity group. To quote eighteenth-century historian Mercy Otis Warren, “True liberty can only be the result of a virtuous citizenry and cannot be managed or maintained by purely institutional manipulation.”

    Is Mona a Leftist? She is not. Will it shock me if we see an essay from her in the next few years titled “Why I Left the Right”? It will not.

    I expect something like that, too. And I get it. This new brand of Republicanism is not to her liking (nor mine). I believe new institutions are desperately needed. But to go to the Left instead of seek new avenues of participation would indeed be a tragedy.

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  13. filmklassik Member
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    “Politics is not the place to expect/demand goodness. Perhaps it was once a noble calling but not anymore.”

    Your barrier to entry is lower than mine. I do not demand nobility. Just an absence of thuggery. And the behavior of the other side is irrelevant to me. If both sides behave like thugs, they have lost my support.

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  14. Leslie Watkins Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    “Politics is not the place to expect/demand goodness. Perhaps it was once a noble calling but not anymore.”

    Your barrier to entry is lower than mine. I do not demand nobility. Just an absence of thuggery. And the behavior of the other side is irrelevant to me. If both sides behave like thugs, they have lost my support.

    That’s my issue, I guess: both sides are full of lies and thuggery. Trump’s is overt, whereas the Left’s is committed behind closed doors–passage of Obamacare being a prime example for me. I want a middle that is strong enough to compensate for the fringes, and I don’t see either party taking this approach. As has been asked many times since his death, “Where is Reinhold Niebuhr when you need him?”

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  15. Ed G. Member
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    @EdG

    How is President Trump behaving like a thug? Vulgar talk? Private infidelity? Challenging the press directly?

    Certainly his official capacity has been anything but thuggish.

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  16. Henry Racette Contributor
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    How is President Trump behaving like a thug? Vulgar talk? Private infidelity? Challenging the press directly?

    Certainly his official capacity has been anything but thuggish.

    Agreed. Descriptions of his conduct that suggest any actual misuse of authority are, I think, unfounded. We know what that looks like, having just lived it, and we aren’t seeing it here.

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  17. Ed G. Member
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    In other words, the bulwark between Mona and the Left is crumbling by the day, because of our (odious) Commander in Chief and the people whom she once respected, and in many cases revered, who (odiously) threw in with him.

    I’m skeptical that this is the case. Even if it is, though, let’s not deprive Mona of her agency. It’s not the result of other people, it’s her choice all the way. Also, if true that a person of odious personality and private life yet a regular Republican/conservative policy views is enough to make you question your own policy views then that indicates what the priorities are and it explains a whole lot of the woes of the right.

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  18. filmklassik Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    In other words, the bulwark between Mona and the Left is crumbling by the day, because of our (odious) Commander in Chief and the people whom she once respected, and in many cases revered, who (odiously) threw in with him.

    I’m skeptical that this is the case. Even if it is, though, let’s not deprive Mona of her agency. It’s not the result of other people, it’s her choice all the way. Also, if true that a person of odious personality and private life yet a regular Republican/conservative policy views is enough to make you question your own policy views then that indicates what the priorities are and it explains a whole lot of the woes of the right.

    Well, you’ll have to show me where I said (or even intimated) that I would look favorably upon the person who sought to deprive Mona of her agency. That’s absurd. I would decry such a person at the top of my voice. Mona should do as she wishes.

    But I, in turn, would grieve her apostasy from the tradition of Aristotle, Burke, Hayek, Friedman, Kirk, Buckley, and Reagan — as I have grieved William Bennett’s apostasy from it. And many others.

    And I would reflect, later on, how William and Mona seemed to drift in opposite directions. But drift they did. And to what purpose?

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  19. rgbact Inactive
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    @romanblichar

    Mona’s a bit squishy on gun rights, but ultimately we have the same idea on the #1 policy prescription……get media to stop covering shootings in ways that feed more narcissist psychopaths out there. Just remember, media also wanted us to believe cops are utterly racist and executing black men regularly. Its really OK to ignore the stories they demand we care about.

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  20. filmklassik Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    Just remember, media also wanted us to believe cops are utterly racist and executing black men regularly.

    Funny you should mention that. Two or three months ago, on this very podcast, Mona stated her belief that racially motivated shootings on the part of white police officers are indeed a problem.

    Now, do such shootings ever take place in this country? Of course they do. And they are vile and inexcusable and should be punished to the full extent of the law. But the number of such shootings each year is vanishingly small. Indeed, a black economist from Harvard, Roland Fryer, made an exhaustive study of such incidents three years ago and concluded that — all things being equal — an unarmed black suspect was statistically less likely to be shot by police than an unarmed white one. Fryer’s study made headlines in every major newspaper in the country. (Google it)

    Mona is exceptionally bright and has a job that requires she keep up with the news, so there is no way she was unaware of Fryer’s findings.

    Progressives, of course, chose to dismiss them. And so, apparently, did Mona.

    She is in the midst of a Great Awakening.

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  21. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    She is in the midst of a Great Awakening.

    You keep saying that, with no evidence, except for some random things that she has said, taken out of context. You are libeling a lady who has been in the vanguard of conservative thought for over forty years. She served in the White House, alongside the pillar of conservatism, Ronald Reagan. She is thinking about things deeply, in the light of events. She is being thoughtful, which is what, under a proper understanding of conservatism, should bring applause. She used to be pillied from the Left, for her unyielding stances. Now, some on the Right are taking their shots. It is shameful.

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  22. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    She is in the midst of a Great Awakening.

    You keep saying that, with no evidence, except for some random things that she has said, taken out of context. You are libeling a lady who has been in the vanguard of conservative thought for over forty years. She served in the White House, alongside the pillar of conservatism, Ronald Reagan. She is thinking about things deeply, in the light of events. She is being thoughtful, which is what, under a proper understanding of conservatism, should bring applause. She used to be pillied from the Left, for her unyielding stances. Now, some on the Right are taking their shots. It is shameful.

    I’m not libeling anyone. 90 percent of my family is on the Left. At least half of my friends are. Almost everyone I work with is. Mona isn’t joining a hate group. There’s no libel here. I’m simply observing that the last three years have caused her to reexamine her most cherished Conservative beliefs.

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  23. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    I’m simply observing that the last three years have caused her to reexamine her most cherished Conservative beliefs.

    And I say that re-examination is the wrong word. She is simply thinking about how to implement them in a world that is changing too quickly.

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  24. filmklassik Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    I’m simply observing that the last three years have caused her to reexamine her most cherished Conservative beliefs.

    And I say that re-examination is the wrong word. She is simply thinking about how to implement them in a world that is changing too quickly.

    George? Agree to disagree. No big deal. It will all be settled in time.

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  25. George Townsend Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    I’m simply observing that the last three years have caused her to reexamine her most cherished Conservative beliefs.

    And I say that re-examination is the wrong word. She is simply thinking about how to implement them in a world tI hat is changing too quickly.

    George? Agree to disagree. No big deal. It will all be settled in time.

    You’re right. We have to agree to disagree. It is just that I met Mona once, have followed her career, and admire her greatly. What I’ve been writing is my honest conclusion.

    Take care, filmklassik.

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  26. rgbact Inactive
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):
    Just remember, media also wanted us to believe cops are utterly racist and executing black men regularly.

    Funny you should mention that. Two or three months ago, on this very podcast, Mona stated her belief that racially motivated shootings on the part of white police officers are indeed a problem.

    Interesting. The question is how much the media is actually inciting mass shootings and inciting racial divisions with their coverage. I’ll give her credit for noticing it on mass shootings. She’s actually one of the few conservative pundits I’ve heard say that.

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  27. Ed G. Member
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    In other words, the bulwark between Mona and the Left is crumbling by the day, because of our (odious) Commander in Chief and the people whom she once respected, and in many cases revered, who (odiously) threw in with him.

    I’m skeptical that this is the case. Even if it is, though, let’s not deprive Mona of her agency. It’s not the result of other people, it’s her choice all the way. Also, if true that a person of odious personality and private life yet a regular Republican/conservative policy views is enough to make you question your own policy views then that indicates what the priorities are and it explains a whole lot of the woes of the right.

    Well, you’ll have to show me where I said (or even intimated) that I would look favorably upon the person who sought to deprive Mona of her agency. That’s absurd. I would decry such a person at the top of my voice.

    ….

    That’s not what I’m saying. Your formulation (quoted above) implies that Mona was only restrained from moving left by this bulwark which is not of her own making; that bulwark is crumbling…. ergo Mona is no longer restrained from moving left so she is unavoidably moving left now. She’s simultaneously falling where the bulwark formerly held her aloft while at the same time various odious people are driving her in that direction too. Very little room for agency in that formulation; it’s not that someone is actively going around depriving people of agency, it’s more that it seems to be one of the underlying conditions for people in Mona’s position being pushed and pulled from the outside. Perhaps that’s not what you were trying to say. I find it hard to read it any other way, though. Nothing about President’s Trump’s policy goals and priorities should be driving conservatives away so I can’t even go with the whole “I didn’t leave my party, my party left me” formulation either.

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  28. filmklassik Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    In other words, the bulwark between Mona and the Left is crumbling by the day, because of our (odious) Commander in Chief and the people whom she once respected, and in many cases revered, who (odiously) threw in with him.

    I’m skeptical that this is the case. Even if it is, though, let’s not deprive Mona of her agency. It’s not the result of other people, it’s her choice all the way. Also, if true that a person of odious personality and private life yet a regular Republican/conservative policy views is enough to make you question your own policy views then that indicates what the priorities are and it explains a whole lot of the woes of the right.

    Well, you’ll have to show me where I said (or even intimated) that I would look favorably upon the person who sought to deprive Mona of her agency. That’s absurd. I would decry such a person at the top of my voice.

    ….

    That’s not what I’m saying. Your formulation (quoted above) implies that Mona was only restrained from moving left by this bulwark which is not of her own making; that bulwark is crumbling…. ergo Mona is no longer restrained from moving left so she is unavoidably moving left now. She’s simultaneously falling where the bulwark formerly held her aloft while at the same time various odious people are driving her in that direction too. Very little room for agency in that formulation; it’s not that someone is actively going around depriving people of agency, it’s more that it seems to be one of the underlying conditions for people in Mona’s position being pushed and pulled from the outside. Perhaps that’s not what you were trying to say. I find it hard to read it any other way, though. Nothing about President’s Trump’s policy goals and priorities should be driving conservatives away so I can’t even go with the whole “I didn’t leave my party, my party left me” formulation either.

    You’re overthinking my post. It isn’t complicated. Mona has become disillusioned with the Right.

    Now you can say “She shouldn’t have” or “That makes no sense” or “The Left is far worse than the Right” blah blah blah. I won’t debate any of that, because it’s irrelevant. I’m just pointing out what I see: Mona has become disillusioned with the Right.

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  29. Ed G. Member
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    …..

    You’re overthinking my post. It isn’t complicated. Mona has become disillusioned with the Right.

    Now you can say “She shouldn’t have” or “That makes no sense” or “The Left is far worse than the Right” blah blah blah. I won’t debate any of that, because it’s irrelevant. I’m just pointing out what I see: Mona has become disillusioned with the Right.

    Fair enough, I can definitely do me some overthinking. Next question: disillusioned with the right in what way? It seems imperative to make the case that people are abandoning principles in order to support Trump. Yet the ideas don’t seem to have changed much and I also don’t see people celebrating infidelity or personal flaws. I don’t see much actual abandonment.

    Really, I think you are ultimately overthinking it too, though it’s a real possibility that some indeed are experiencing a personal awakening even so late in their lives which is leading them to the left. However, I think there are other simpler explanations for how some are reacting to Trump. It’s all speculation on my part, but I think for some it comes down to personal distaste for a person having far more influence over one’s views than was otherwise assumed to be the case. And that’s a hard truth to identify and then admit to. Especially for public figures in the business of political opinion.

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  30. Dave Matheny Inactive
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    It is just wrong to say, as @monacharen implies, that there is any useful symmetry between the pro-abortion side and the pro-gun side. The more you learn about assault rifles — what they are, what they can and can’t do, their ammunition, and so on — the less terrifying they become. The more you learn about abortion, the worse it gets.

    The AR round, for example, is lighter and smaller than whatever that cop who stayed outside the school was probably carrying. (My guess would be a .40-caliber pistol with at least 15 rounds in the magazine, plus two more magazines, for a total of at least 45 rounds. .40-caliber hollowpoint bullets are heavier and deadlier than the little AR rounds.)

    I’m only blathering on about this to illustrate my point about becoming less appalled the more you find out about assault rifles. Because it’s not as if, when you look into abortion, you find that many aborted babies get over it and shrug off the brief, painless procedure. Virtually all die a grisly death. I cannot imagine somebody looking into abortion and saying, “Well, that doesn’t sound so bad after all.’

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