Charlie, Reihan, and Michael Brendan Dougherty discuss the firing of Steve Bannon, President Trump’s speech on Afghanistan, the folly of would-be censors, and an interesting decision by ESPN.

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  1. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Someone should tell Charlie if he wants more people to listen to Mad Dogs and Englishmen, he needs to tell Kevin to lay off the nastiness.  Kevin needs to grow up and learn to deal with the fact that, yes, low-status people tend to blame others for their own problems.  What a shock.  It isn’t an excuse for the level of cynical nastiness he displays.

    I’m sure all of us MDE listeners remember his tirades on how racist poor white people were for not criticizing German trade practices.  As if they would even know about German trade practices.  By the way, if Kevin ever reads this, historically the policy of the United States has been to force employers to socialize the poor via tight labor markets and trade restrictions.  It’s not racist.  Stop saying it is.

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  2. filmklassik Member
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    This show is “The Editors,” not MDE, so right church wrong Pew, but to your point…

    Is there an acceptable, non-nasty way of pointing out that people are often the architects of their own problems? And isn’t going out of one’s way to avoid pointing this out an implicit validation of the kind of scapegoating you just agreed is all too common among people of “low status”?

    So why validate scapegoating?

    Seems to me that one of the key differences between a true Conservative and his Liberal brethren is his willingness to look reality full in the face — however difficult that might be — instead of retreating behind the false security of a comforting lie.

     

     

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  3. Joseph Eagar Member
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    filmklassik (View Comment):
    This show is “The Editors,” not MDE, so right church wrong Pew, but to your point…

    I just felt bad after hearing Charlie’s advertisement for MDE in the first five minutes.  I do enjoy listening to Charlie Cooke’s opinion, but lately it’s been much more pleasant to get it on the Editors podcast than MDE.

    Is there an acceptable, non-nasty way of pointing out that people are often the architects of their own problems? And isn’t going out of one’s way to avoid pointing this out an implicit validation of the kind of scapegoating you just agreed is all too common among people of “low status”?

    So why validate scapegoating?

    Seems to me that one of the key differences between a true Conservative and his Liberal brethren is his willingness to look reality full in the face — however difficult that might be — instead of retreating behind the false security of a comforting lie.

    Kevin goes a bit further than merely looking reality in the face.  “I think it’s just poor white people blaming ‘those dirty brown people from across the border’ for their troubles” is rather embellished for an impartial analysis (he’s said that line several times, it’s one of his pet tropes, as was the whole you’re-racist-for-not-criticizing-Germany before Trump, well, criticized Germany).

     

     

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  4. Merrijane Inactive
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    Congratulations on the new baby, Charles! I have four boys. It has been a glorious 20 years of being “outnumbered.”

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  5. Merrijane Inactive
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    I actually think MDE humanizes Kevin compared to a lot of his writing. While obviously not sunny in demeanor, I think his dryness is misinterpreted as cruelty or a lack of caring. But … I understand he’s not for everyone.

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  6. BD1 Member
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    National Review has helped protect three of the four Republican members of the Gang of Eight.  Only one more to go.

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    The Fed and the government has created a very regressive economy in the face of globalized labor and robots. The Fed, the Ruling Class, and the government has done every single thing wrong. So everyone wants socialism.

    How does the average person deal with that?

     

     

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