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  1. George Townsend Inactive
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    Good, informative show.

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  2. Mrs. Ink Member
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    Kudos to National Review, Rich Lowry, and Charles C. W. Cooke for a very well done podcast. I only have one quibble-it is entirely legal to own a tank in the United States, I personally know two people who do, and I know several people who own cannons (also howitzers, trebuchets, and large catapults, but that’s another post).

    On a more somber note, I have come to the reluctant conclusion that millions of my countrymen (the Left) have no desire to do any thing to minimize mass shootings. I reached this conclusion because all of the measures that the gun control proponents suggest will do absolutely nothing to affect the perpetrators of these crimes, but will lead to the general disarming of the American populace. Suggestions that might have a deterrent effect, such as the Israeli solution of having armed guards and teachers in schools, are met with ridicule.

    The only possible reason that the leaders of the Left want to disarm the populace is to make it easier to institute mass murder of their political opponents, commonly known as the Right, following the examples of their heroes Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot.

    The Right valiantly resists the Left’s strenuous propaganda and social pressure to conform to cultural Marxist ideals, despite the Left’s domination of academia, entertainment, news media, and even sports. I fear that the Left leadership has concluded that the only way to bring the United States to communist utopia is to cleanse the land of the Right, which cannot be done when firearms are in the hands of private citizens. Therefore, private citizens must be stripped of their means of self-defense and  of revolution against tyrannical government.

    I am sure that many Leftists will decry my conclusion as the rantings of a paranoid, unbalanced person, but I have heard and read too many things describing me and mine as subhuman. I have seen what state and local Leftist governments do when their power is unchecked. I have seen the erosion of freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of religion. The Left means to rule, and they cannot rule an armed populace.

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  3. George Townsend Inactive
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    On a more somber note, I have come to the reluctant conclusion that millions of my countrymen (the Left) have no desire to do any thing to minimize mass shootings. I reached this conclusion because all of the measures that the gun control proponents suggest will do absolutely nothing to affect the perpetrators of these crimes, but will lead to the general disarming of the American populace. Suggestions that might have a deterrent effect, such as the Israeli solution of having armed guards and teachers in schools, are met with ridicule.

    I disagree with this strenuously, Mrs. Ink. It does sound paranoid. Even Dennis Prager, I don’t believe, would go this far. Sure, the Left is wrong in practically everything they stand for. But to say they want to commit murder is a bridge too far. Communism, at least in the Soviet Union, is gone. And the troops there didn’t turn on the populace to keep it.

    The Left is filled with a bunch of ignorant fools, who do not think this subject through. And, yes, they do want to exert control through the government, I believe, because they think this is the best way to achieve peace. It is ridiculous. But to accuse of wanting wanten murder is silly, and actually is giving them too much credit for thinking ahead.

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  4. Mrs. Ink Member
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    Average low information Leftists may have the attitude that you describe, but their leaders do not. They are deliberately fomenting hatred against those they disagree with, and they describe in no uncertain terms any one who disagrees with them as bigots, as if there could be no other reason for beliefs that contradict their cultural Marxism. Mrs. Clinton said out loud: “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that.” and went on to say that the people she called deplorable were irredeemable. This wasn’t  a cocktail party conversation, it was a speech, in public.

    Mrs. Clinton was the Democrat candidate for president. She’s a lousy leader but she was their leader. There are lots of Democrats who are still doing every thing in their power to make her president, even though she lost the election, and a legally elected president is in office and has been for over a year. If this isn’t a Stalinist cult of personality I defy you to tell me what else it could be.

    They hate us and mean to kill us.

     

     

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  5. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    They hate us and mean to kill us.

    Nah, they just want us to vote democrat. There are some who think that it wouldn’t be too bad to kill off about 25% of the population to achieve Utopia but they are a small minority. Roughly the same amount as the white supremacists on the right. Don’t get me wrong. I think there is not much good to say about the Democrats and I will never vote for one, but most are just stupid rather than evil. As Reagan said: “They know so much that isn’t so.”

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  6. Barry Jones Thatcher
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    Concur at least a bit with Mrs Ink. I think that the left would rather have the wedge issue and the rallying cry than actually do the hard work to accomplish anything positive on the issue.That my be cynical but I do not see anything from their side that seems to address the issue…just “ban guns” and all will be fine. Really? Lazy thinking at best, manipulative at least.

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  7. Mrs. Ink Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

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    I disagree with this strenuously, Mrs. Ink. It does sound paranoid. Even Dennis Prager, I don’t believe, would go this far. Sure, the Left is wrong in practically everything they stand for. But to say they want to commit murder is a bridge too far. Communism, at least in the Soviet Union, is gone. And the troops there didn’t turn on the populace to keep it.

    The Left is filled with a bunch of ignorant fools, who do not think this subject through. And, yes, they do want to exert control through the government, I believe, because they think this is the best way to achieve peace. It is ridiculous. But to accuse of wanting wanten murder is silly, and actually is giving them too much credit for thinking ahead.

    Really? The statist Left has been infiltrating colleges, schools, and churches for a hundred years, maybe more. It is no accident that Bill Ayres got his Ph. D. in education. You can say a lot of things about the Left, but inability to play the long game isn’t one of them. Read Revolt Against the Masses, by Fred Siegel https://smile.amazon.com/Revolt-Against-Masses-Liberalism-Undermined/dp/1594036985/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_3499214142?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8

    The truly insidious thing is that it isn’t a master plan-it is the Orwellian way that they have indoctrinated their people until they don’t even question Leftist dogma. President Obama didn’t tell Lois Lerner to target conservative groups, she and her IRS buddies did it on their own because they thought that crushing the Tea Party was the right and moral thing to do. They also think that any one who disagrees with their Marxist philosophy does not have or deserve the same rights as people that do. It never occurs to them that all people have unalienable rights (natural rights or God-given rights). To the Left all rights come from the state, none are intrinsic to the individual.

    It is a tiny, tiny step from suppressing political expression of disfavored groups to suppressing economic and social activity of disfavored groups, and it is already happening (look up Brandon Eich). Once you have isolated the disfavored group and made them poor, you have also made them powerless. From there, all you have to do is give your indoctrinated people a target. In Stalin’s case, the kulaks and the Ukrainians. In the present case, Republicans. In all these cases, the message from the statists is “It doesn’t matter what you do to the under people, because they are not really human.” A key to total domination is to disarm the disfavored, because even the most thoroughly indoctrinated Leftist does not want to be shot.

    We are far gone down this road, and I do not see the Left giving up their power any time soon.

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  8. George Townsend Inactive
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    If this isn’t a Stalinist cult of personality I defy you to tell me what else it could be.

    Because you’ve asked me a question I will answer, even though you sound like a very angry lady, too angry, in fact, to look at the facts without very highly charged emotion.

    I don’t like Hillary anymore than you, but no one is conniving to make her President. Most people want to distance themselves from her, because she makes the party look bad.

    And there are more cults of personality then a Stalinist one. President Trump has his own cult of personality. It is undeniable.

    Finally: There is no evidence, whatsoever, that anyone on their side is out to kill us. And certainly not Hillary. She may kill us with that crazy laugh of hers. But nothing else.

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  9. Mrs. Ink Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    If this isn’t a Stalinist cult of personality I defy you to tell me what else it could be.

    Because you’ve asked me a question I will answer, even though you sound like a very angry lady, too angry, in fact, to look at the facts without very highly charged emotion.

    I don’t like Hillary anymore than you, but no one is conniving to make her President. Most people want to distance themselves from her, because she makes the party look bad.

    And there are more cults of personality then a Stalinist one. President Trump has his own cult of personality. It is undeniable.

    Finally: There is no evidence, whatsoever, that anyone on their side is out to kill us. And certainly not Hillary. She may kill us with that crazy laugh of hers. But nothing else.

    I was asking a rhetorical question.

    I’m not angry at all, I am a reader of history.

    Re making Mrs Clinton president, please see:

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-electoral-college-20161216-story.html

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/fbi-officials-discussed-insurance-policy-against-trump-presidency/

    Finally: There is no evidence, whatsoever, that anyone on their side is out to kill us.

    Steve Scalise may not agree with you, since his attacker was so determined that he laid down his life attempting end Scalise’s life.

    Rand Paul may not agree with you.

    Kathy Griffen displayed a bloody, decapitated, head resembling Trump on national television. She was surprised when she got fired.

    In NYC, Shakespeare in the Park’s production of Julius Caesar, in which Caesar is assassinated, the person who played Caesar was made up to look like Trump. The play ran the season.

    Have you seen Twitter since 2/14?

    Some one in Kentucky spent all night painting a billboard black and writing “Kill the NRA” on it.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/

    They haven’t killed any one yet, that we know of,  because they are unsure about getting away with it. When they think they can, they will.

     

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  10. KarenZiminski Coolidge
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    I don’t know much about guns, although many of my family are or were gun owners. My father and brother and brother-in-law as well as uncles and cousins are or were deer hunters, so deer rifles are normal for me. I learned from CCWC that the AR15 is a popular rifle that, although scary looking, is not as lethal as a deer rifle. Given how many AR15s are out there, it is unrealistic to think they could all be taken out of private hands. Furthermore, unless the Constitution is amended, it can’t be attempted. There have to be better ways to protect schools.

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  11. George Townsend Inactive
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    KarenZiminski (View Comment):
    There have to be better ways to protect schools.

    Of course there are, Karen. You are right. All this guns talk obscures the real issue: Which is controlling bad people. As you know, from your family, guns are tools. It is the intent of the person behind the  gun that matters. And the more we refuse to focus on that, the more we risk letting people think that more laws are the answer.

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  12. kedavis Member
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    One difference about the Florida incident, a difference which might be described as “mechanical” or whatever, is that first-responder law enforcement just stayed outside, and didn’t go in.  Whether you ascribe that to cowardice or just bad policy, the fact remains that there might have been far fewer casualties if the people charged with protecting those students – and the rest of us – had acted properly.  That’s not the fault of the gun, or the NRA, etc.

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