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  1. Lincoln

    Maybe some heavy weight boxers can self identify as feather weight boxers and compete in that setting – seems legit to me…

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    • February 27, 2019, at 1:47 PM PDT
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    Good lord. Alexandra was the only person objecting to the idea of reparations on the basis that matters most: The appallingness of the idea of Blood Guilt.

    And why wasn’t everyone objecting on that basis?

    Luke, especially, seemed unconcerned that reparations would be granting legitimacy to such a twisted, unconscionable idea.

    ”We agree that I’ve done nothing to harm you,” says the well-intentioned Thompson-ite. “Nor did I do anything to harm your ancestors. But people who look like me did. They had white skin, and I have white skin. Therefore — QED — I have something to answer for.”

    Insanity. An idea emanating directly from Lewis Carroll’s rabbit hole. 

    But it’s an idea that has currency now.

    But for these guys — Luke especially — to be stroking their chins over it …???

    “Hmmm. Blood Guilt. Hmmm. Hmmm. Maybe there’s something worthy about the idea after all. Hmmm. Let’s give it some more thought…”

    Incredible.

     

     

     

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    • February 27, 2019, at 5:31 PM PDT
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Good lord. Alexandra was the only person objecting to the idea of reparations on the basis that matters most: The appallingness of the idea of Blood Guilt.

    No kidding. That was reprehensible commentary from Michael and Luke, giving tacit approval to the concept of (what I would call) multi-generational collective guilt. Collective guilt is always toxic, with varying degrees of destructive results. Intersectionality and grievance studies are built on a hierarchy of (multi-generational? infinite?) collective guilt, race (superficial skin color) being one of them. Maybe it’s cliche, but these younger commentators really don’t seem to grasp MLK’s dream – being judged by the content of one’s character and not by the color one’s skin. This implicitly requires everyone to put multi-generational collective guilt and grievances behind us. Luke seems to think he speaks for all Americans when he says we can’t move on from slavery and that we can’t let America off the hook (whatever that means). If he wants to wallow in abstract guilt for slavery and racial inequality, he’s welcome to, but don’t drag me or the rest of America down into identity politics with you. Also, “white America” and “black America”? Democrats think in those divisive terms.

    Now, (tongue-in-cheek) if you want to talk reparations, making any politicians who are still alive that voted for the Great Society pay up would be good. Seriously though, that is a government policy/program that has had and continues to have deleterious effects on African Americans who are alive today.

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    • February 27, 2019, at 7:13 PM PDT
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    DJ EJ (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Good lord. Alexandra was the only person objecting to the idea of reparations on the basis that matters most: The appallingness of the idea of Blood Guilt.

    Luke seems to think he speaks for all Americans when he says we can’t move on from slavery and that we can’t let America off the hook (whatever that means).

    Right. Whatever that means. Nobody on the podcast endeavored to find out what it means. Nobody wanted to ask their colleague a few important questions like, “Luke, on what basis are 21st century Americans ‘on the hook’ for slavery? Extrapolating still further, Luke, consider two newborns in the hospital, one black and one white. They’re in adjacent cribs. Does the black infant have some sort of claim on the white infant? Was the white one born owing a debt to the black one? Even a little debt, Luke? And if so, how does such a debt get repaid? How could it get repaid?”

    The vileness of the notion of Blood Guilt (literally sin in the blood) is beyond comprehension, and by not condemning it this week, the Editors were tacitly legitimizing it. I almost couldn’t believe my ears.

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    • February 27, 2019, at 7:54 PM PDT
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Good lord. Alexandra was the only person objecting to the idea of reparations on the basis that matters most: The appallingness of the idea of Blood Guilt.

    And why wasn’t everyone objecting on that basis?

    Luke, especially, seemed unconcerned that reparations would be granting legitimacy to such a twisted, unconscionable idea.

    ”We agree that I’ve done nothing to harm you,” says the well-intentioned Thompson-ite. “Nor did I do anything to harm your ancestors. But people who look like me did. They had white skin, and I have white skin. Therefore — QED — I have something to answer for.”

    Insanity. An idea emanating directly from Lewis Carroll’s rabbit hole.

    But it’s an idea that has currency now.

    But for these guys — Luke especially — to be stroking their chins over it …???

    “Hmmm. Blood Guilt. Hmmm. Hmmm. Maybe there’s something worthy about the idea after all. Hmmm. Let’s give it some more thought…”

    Incredible.

    Definitely a WTF moment for me. I thought I was listening to Vox for a second. MBD and Thompson like to take controversial opinions often, but this was ridiculous.

     

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    • February 28, 2019, at 9:52 AM PDT
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Good lord. Alexandra was the only person objecting to the idea of reparations on the basis that matters most: The appallingness of the idea of Blood Guilt.

    And why wasn’t everyone objecting on that basis?

    Thank God the comments section is expressing what I was thinking too… I kept waiting for someone to speak some sanity into the first half of that conversation. We are honestly thinking there is nothing wrong *in principle* with reparations, and the only questions are practical in nature? Good Lord.

    I can’t think of a better way to stir up racial resentment and make sure it perpetuates into the next generation than to create a fund out of which we pay people based on their racial ancestry. I feel like the Left’s obsession with race has infected our dear Editors.

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    • February 28, 2019, at 10:48 AM PDT
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    Icarus213 (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Good lord. Alexandra was the only person objecting to the idea of reparations on the basis that matters most: The appallingness of the idea of Blood Guilt.

    And why wasn’t everyone objecting on that basis?

    We are honestly thinking there is nothing wrong *in principle* with reparations, and the only questions are practical in nature? Good Lord.

    Beautifully expressed.

    If they’d been dignifying the question of “Should America start mandatory euthanasia for people with Type 2 Diabetes?” it could not have been any more surreal.

    And by the way, here’s Luke voicing his objection to the above idea:

    THOMPSON: How do I feel about enforced euthanasia for people with Type 2 Diabetes? I am absolutely opposed to it, and I’ll tell you why: How could we be sure we wouldn’t be inadvertently killing people with misdiagnosed hypertension? Answer: We couldn’t be sure. Furthermore, how should the courts treat doctors who choose to deliberately falsify records to keep their patients out of the gas chamber?

    Etc.

    It really was disgusting. I can’t even laugh about it.

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    • February 28, 2019, at 11:41 AM PDT
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    Maybe it’s because I just watched the rebroadcast of Ken Burn’s Civil War documentary, but how does one quantify the price paid for slavery? What price is enough? Our only experiences with the Civil War today are documentaries, reenactments, museum exhibits, cemeteries, and battlefields, but for people that were alive during several decades following the war, the ongoing suffering was inescapable:

    1,030,000+ casualties

    620,000 soldier deaths (perhaps as high as 850,000) and 50,000 civilians killed. How many widows and orphans resulted from these deaths?

    Measured against the 1860 census, 8% of all US white males aged 13 to 43 died in the war.

    The National Park Service figures record 275,154 Union troops wounded in action and 194,026 Confederate troops wounded in action. An estimated 60,000 men lost limbs in the war. 1 in 13 veterans were amputees. Obviously this had a debilitating effect on these men’s abilities to provide for themselves and their families, and many injuries resulted in chronic pain for the rest of their lives.

    From a psychological standpoint, how can one quantify the cost? How many people had PTSD or suffered from other serious mental illnesses as a result of trauma from the war?

    I think America’s “off the hook” for slavery, but then again, I believe in personal responsibility, not collective/blood guilt.

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    • February 28, 2019, at 1:35 PM PDT
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    It’s worth noting that Luke Thompson‘s account of the problems of black people in the inner city, about eight minutes in, was precisely the liberal account, not the conservative account. 

    It was either the “legacy of slavery“, or deindustrialization; not the bad effects of the welfare system, or the state of black culture. 

    Liberals like Thompson fail to recognize that, while slavery obviously injured the enslaved, the free descendants of the enslaved reap the benefits of being here, where even the poor are rich, instead of living in the violent, corrupt, poverty-stricken countries their ancestors came from. This is a point Thomas Sowell has often made. 

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    • March 1, 2019, at 7:49 AM PDT
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  10. Coolidge

    @djej — It is also worth noting that twice as many white men served in the armies that freed the slaves, as fought for the South.

    I wonder how they would have reacted if someone told them the descendants of the slaves they were suffering and dying to free would someday present their descendants with a bill.

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    • March 1, 2019, at 7:57 AM PDT
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    Richard Epstein critiques the push to award reparations for slavery in the latest Libertarian podcast entitled “Green Book, Race, and Politics”.

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    • March 3, 2019, at 3:25 PM PDT
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    The great economist Walter Williams once said, (quoting from memory): ‘slavery was a pretty awful thing for my ancestors but it was a pretty good deal for me because it meant that I was born in America instead of Liberia.’

    Also, I agree with all the previous comments about ‘blood guilt’ and especially that any debt that’s owed to blacks is owed by the party whose welfare state policies have done so much to destroy the black family in America. Listen to Thomas Sowell and again Walter Williams describe how much safer black communities were and how much better their education was before the left’s control of public policy in the relevant areas of life.

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    • March 4, 2019, at 9:03 PM PDT
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    DubyaC (View Comment):

    Listen to Thomas Sowell and again Walter Williams describe how much safer black communities were and how much better their education was before the left’s control of public policy in the relevant areas of life.

    Yeah, that argument would really resonate with minority voters. “Hey all you dark-skinned, under-educated welfare queens — your lives were actually better under Jim Crow!“

    Uh huh. Lovely.

    It drives me crazy when Conservatives take strong logical arguments (Blood guilt is immoral, for example) and graft them onto cranky, Archie Bunker-type bloviating.

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    • March 4, 2019, at 10:17 PM PDT
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    DubyaC (View Comment):

    Listen to Thomas Sowell and again Walter Williams describe how much safer black communities were and how much better their education was before the left’s control of public policy in the relevant areas of life.

    Yeah, that argument would really resonate with minority voters. “Hey all you dark-skinned, under-educated welfare queens — your lives were actually better under Jim Crow!“

    Uh huh. Lovely.

    It drives me crazy when Conservatives take strong logical arguments (Blood guilt is immoral, for example) and graft them onto cranky, Archie Bunker-type bloviating.

    @filmklassik – I take it, you’re not actually familiar with Thomas Sowell’s work. He points out, for example, that when he was young, people in Harlem routinely slept on fire escapes in the summer. A generation later, it was too dangerous. He also presents statistics to show that blacks’ economic status improved more in the 20 years before the civil rights movement than the 20 years after. I get the impression he wishes blacks had taken the path through economics and education that Asians took with great success, instead of the path through politics.

    That there have been changes for the better doesn’t mean there have been no changes for the worse. For example, a black child growing up in the 1950s might have suffered under racial discrimination, but he was also much more likely to have two parents at home — and more likely to survive to adulthood.

    Whether today’s blacks want to hear any of this, of course, is another matter.

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    • March 5, 2019, at 7:18 AM PDT
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