Values Voters Confront The Roy Moore Question

A leader in the “Values Voter” movement, Chanel Prunier of RenewMA Coalition, talks about the Alabama senate race and the challenges of defending traditional values in deep-blue Massachusetts;

Do Republicans really believe all the Roy Moore and Donald Trump accusers are lying?

The media embrace the suck as they abandon the hard work of journalism for #Resist.

And the GOP’s tax-bill troubles continue.

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  1. Marythefifth Member
    Marythefifth Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Huh? Approximately 67% of Republican primary voters wanted someone other than Trump. We were told that many of those who chose Trump in the primaries were disaffected Democrats. Then Republicans were left to choose the not Hillary candidate.

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    • December 11, 2017, at 6:15 AM PST
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  2. Freesmith Inactive

    To answer the questions that are above: We don’t care what the media, including the established and ineffectual conservative media, has to say about Roy Moore and Donald Trump.

    The media go off on these wild attacks because they hate conservatism and conservatives. That’s why they #Resist!

    A better question is why Michael Graham goes off on these wild tangents instead of advancing a conservative and traditional American agenda?

    Well, he does say that the folks down in Alabama are dumb.

    Instead of attacking Republicans I would prefer it if Michael Graham would attack Democrats 90% of the time, including on cultural issues. The Democrats are governing large swaths of this country after all, and badly.

    Plus, they hate us and want us dead. That, to me, is a bigger offense than anything Michael Graham spends so much time gnashing his teeth over about Moore and Trump.

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    • December 11, 2017, at 7:47 AM PST
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  3. Danny Alexander Member

    Although I currently live in Japan, I’m Boston-born and Lexington, MA-raised. Indeed, I hail from a family that’s aptly described as Scoop Jackson Democrat — so my own rightward drift was somewhat improbable.

    With the exception of Calvin Coolidge, and to a lesser extent Mitt Romney, Massachusetts has almost never ushered a politician onto the national stage — whether on Capitol Hill, or on the presidential electoral hustings, or in the Executive Branch — without it being a net negative for the United States as a whole, sometimes glaringly so. The same goes for policy initiatives — one big reason why I put “to a lesser extent” ahead of Romney’s name.

    I’m fine with most pragmatically conceived and sensibly advanced efforts to turn the Bay State into a Red State; what I am not fine with is any self-indulgent attempts to dispense pearls of Massachusetts conservative (especially “values voter”) wisdom to other states. That is always, always going to end up with counterproductive if not catastrophic outcomes — just as it does when Massachusetts left-liberals endeavor to do the same. It’s practically a law of nature.

    Just. Quit. It.

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    • December 11, 2017, at 8:01 AM PST
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  4. Michael Graham Podcaster

    Freesmith (View Comment):

    Plus, they hate us and want us dead. That, to me, is a bigger offense than anything Michael Graham spends so much time gnashing his teeth over about Moore and Trump.

    Freesmith,

    First, thanks for taking the time to respond.

    Second, it’s not about “them.” It’s about you. Me. What sort of people are we going to be? I’m not going to pretend to be stupid in the cause of conservatism. I’m not going to defend dirtbags like looney-tunes Roy Moore, or Donald Trump. I can’t control what the angry Left does. I can’t make the media do its job. I can’t pick the candidates offered by the two parties. I can control what I do.

    And I don’t do “stupid on purpose.”

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    • December 11, 2017, at 8:14 AM PST
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  5. John O'Connell IV Inactive

    I found Ms Prunier’s comments kind of squishy. In the end it was vote GOP because if you don’t the Dems win. Understandable and logical sentiment but your comment about voting your conscience and letting God handle the rest was telling. She wasn’t willing to trust God but we have to do what we feel is right….. Maybe its just Pragmatic Christianity talking. (A term I made up. You can use it but I want a dollar.) The problem is that pragmatism is a cousin of tribalism and we should all be able to see what tribalism hast wrought. Good podcast!

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    • December 11, 2017, at 8:28 AM PST
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  6. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Michael Graham (View Comment):

    Freesmith (View Comment):

    Plus, they hate us and want us dead. That, to me, is a bigger offense than anything Michael Graham spends so much time gnashing his teeth over about Moore and Trump.

    Freesmith,

    First, thanks for taking the time to respond.

    Second, it’s not about “them.” It’s about you. Me. What sort of people are we going to be? I’m not going to pretend to be stupid in the cause of conservatism. I’m not going to defend dirtbags like looney-tunes Roy Moore, or Donald Trump. I can’t control what the angry Left does. I can’t make the media do its job. I can’t pick the candidates offered by the two parties. I can control what I do.

    And I don’t do “stupid on purpose.”

    I care about what Trump and Moore say themselves! That interview with Hannity was awful. Moore condemned himself. Plus all the ridiculous statements he has made about gays, Muslims. He co-authored a book where he said women should not be elected to public office for crying out loud!

    As for Trump, I believe him when he says he “grabbed ’em by the p_____”. It baffles me when his supporters choose to think he was only bragging. Trump has spent practically his entire life in public and reveled in talking about his excesses. Now I am supposed to think it is a big media/Soros conspiracy? Vote for the man if you want, but please don’t expect me to believe that Trump is the victim in all this.

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    • December 11, 2017, at 9:29 AM PST
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  7. Arnold Falk Member

    In spite of the fact that 13 months’ water has passed under the bridge, I sense the some folks still don’t understand. It’s about controlling both houses of Congress come hell or high water. And I don’t think the whole country is going to go off the deep end just because the fine people of Alabama elect, shall we say, a person who did not demonstrate the best morals decades ago. He’s never been arrested or convicted of anything along these lines that I know of. Just accused. Due process is still wanting. What has he done since then? If they think he will be a good representative of Alabama, that is their right per Amendment XVII. They are not dumb.

    If Moore is duly elected, we still “win” in the following way: He probably will be promptly grilled by the Senate Ethics Committee. If he passes their muster, we have saved Jeff Sessions’ seat. If he does not pass muster, Gov. Ivey will name a Republican to fill the seat. Republicans win both ways.

    If people in Alabama, I suppose like you Mr. Graham, go wobbly, and don’t vote, or vote for Mr. Jones, then we’ve lost that seat for six years. AND, it becomes that much more likely that NOTHING will be passed to statutorily remove the legacy of Mr. Obama.

    Absolutely, this is not a difficult decision.

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    • December 11, 2017, at 9:36 AM PST
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  8. Sabrdance Member

    Hi, Chanel!

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    • December 11, 2017, at 1:02 PM PST
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  9. FredGoodhue Coolidge

    Before Trump and Moore, I’ve seen people who, when faced with two bad choices, will delude themselves into thinking that one of the choices is not bad.

    Also, when faced with two bad choices, I have a problem with not choosing, and saying God will fix it. Voting is not a moral choice like deciding who will live and who will die in a distressed airplane. Also, God is not here to make the world a good place. God makes a good place for afterwards. God could make the Earth like Heaven, but he does not.

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    • December 14, 2017, at 10:21 AM PST
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