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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jeff Flake is my Arizona Senator.  He is a hero for his courage.  I wish that he had run.  I plan to vote for all non-complicit Republicans, and in the general election to vote against all complicit Republicans.

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  2. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Jeff Flake is my Arizona Senator. He is a hero for his courage. I wish that he had run. I plan to vote for all non-complicit Republicans, and in the general election to vote against all complicit Republicans.

    I wish there were more of us but it seems that voters on both sides, want crazy. I understand why Flake did what he did. How are the voters ever going to wake up to Trump if decent Republicans don’t state the obvious – that Trump is indeed a “jerk”.

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  3. George Townsend Inactive
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Jeff Flake is my Arizona Senator. He is a hero for his courage. I wish that he had run. I plan to vote for all non-complicit Republicans, and in the general election to vote against all complicit Republicans.

    I wish there were more of us but it seems that voters on both sides, want crazy. I understand why Flake did what he did. How are the voters ever going to wake up to Trump if decent Republicans don’t state the obvious – that Trump is indeed a “jerk”.

    This is absolutely right, Michael, and making snide remarks about a duly elected Senator, voicing his thoughts, without even saying why those thoughts are wrong, is not helpful. Jeff Flake never mentioned impeachment. I doubt that he’d favor that. But, as an elected member of our legislative body, and having sworn an oath to protect our land, he has a duty to say when he thinks it is imperiled. There are many ways that a land may be imperiled. Donald Trump does not pose a mortal threat. Of course not. I actually think his policies are mostly good. But he poses a danger with his adolescent behavior. The world does not take him seriously. I do not want a little boy, who insists upon continuing a fight with a Gold Star Mother, as the leader of the Free World. And as far as most Republicans supporting him: I support him too, given the choice of another party, whose policies do pose a mortal threat to us. Instead of continuing down this Populist road, which is leading to real danger, why not tell us where Jeff Flake is wrong?

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  4. Michael Graham Contributor
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    Moderator Note:

    All-caps knocked down to italics as per Ricochet CoC.

    Jeff Flake’s a coward: He’s running away instead of fighting.

    Jeff Flake’s incompetent: He couldn’t figure out how to handle Trump/Trumpism as AZ’s elected official.

    Jeff Flake’s useless: Even Susan Collins can figure out how to advance her values in the current GOP debates. Having Flake on the side of small-government, traditional conservativism is like having nobody on his side.

    Where was Flake on the stump campaigning against Trumpism and for conservative ideas in 2016?

    Where was he when Barack Obama was assaulting fundamental American principles? Was he energizing voters? Confronting Obama’s ideology? Where was this speech when Obama was president?

    Flake’s a phony: He’s quitting because he can’t win, not because his principles will no longer allow him to serve. Give me a Ben Sasse or Bill Kristol over this whiny quitter any day of the week.

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  5. George Townsend Inactive
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    Michael Graham (View Comment):
    Jeff Flake’s a coward: He’s running away instead of fighting.

    Jeff Flake’s incompetent: He couldn’t figure out how to handle Trump/Trumpism as AZ’s elected official.

    Jeff Flake’s useless: Even Susan Collins can figure out how to advance her values in the current GOP debates. Having Flake on the side of small-government, traditional conservativism is like having nobody on his side.

    Where was Flake on the stump campaigning against Trumpism and for conservative ideas in 2016?

    Where was he when Barack Obama was assaulting fundamental American principles? Was he energizing voters? Confronting Obama’s ideology? Where was this speech when Obama was president?

    Flake’s a phony: He’s quitting because he can’t win, not because his principles will no longer allow him to serve. Give me a Ben Sasse or Bill Kristol over this whiny quitter any day of the week.

    Michael, is this how you deal with people who disagree with you? You just repeat tired old charges that the excusers for Donald Trump always use: You attack others, instead of dealing with what they are saying. Flake may have made mistakes, but he is no phony. Your calling names should be beneath you. He is helping the Republican Party of Arizona, by signaling, at this early stage, that he is not running. Now we have a chance to hold the seat.

    You used to put a “Like” on everyone who made a comment on your podcast, out of courtesy. Now you go to war on people who disagree with you? I guess I know now where you stand!

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  6. contrarian Inactive
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    Michael

    I always chortle when MAGA folk claim Trump is playing 3D underwater chess, but Praeger is more clever than that. Or, I think he is. I’m still confusing him with Hewitt, but both seem clever.

    I suspect you’re getting hoodwinked by Praeger. (I don’t want to disrespect your culture. Are folks from the south hornswoggled rather than hoodwinked?) That’s unfortunate because I think he’s trying to catch the MSM and you were ensnared because you’re grouchy about his views on Trump.

     

    Legally, the First Amendment argument is spurious, but its inclusion is more likely to get coverage for the case. Even as the argument is debunked it still spreads the word about Google’s bias.

    If this argument were the entirety of the PraegerU case, it would be analogous to the compelled speech ‘bake me a cake argument.’ That was the first thing that occurred to me after I listened to yesterday’s show, but after reading the complaint itself, I am on Praeger’s side. Their other (and I suspect their only serious) argument is the one that you commonly hear form right of center youtubers: their ability to access the market which youtube runs is blocked in a way that is a violation of youtube’s stated policies and which prevents them from earning money.

    This isn’t like the bakery case; it’s like the apple farm case (see HERE). There’s a way that this is actually even worse. Imagine if instead of being a market in a liberal town, it was in a moderate town, and the stated policy was to accept any local produce for sale unless it was spoiled – and then the farmer was excluded based on his beliefs. That would damage his business and he should sue and in such circumstances win damages.

    If youtube is going to prevent content creators from doing business in their market (many have switched entirely to Patreon rather than abandon their channels which aren’t generating income) they must stop being deceptive about it. You can’t lie to business partners just because you’re afraid of the bad PR from being honest with the public!

    Don’t side with youtube because Praeger’s lawsuit uses a disingenuous First Amendment argument to get media attention. Side with the youtube content creators demanding transparency because you believe in free and fair competition.

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  7. contrarian Inactive
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Michael Graham (View Comment):
    Jeff Flake’s a coward: He’s running away instead of fighting.

    Jeff Flake’s incompetent: He couldn’t figure out how to handle Trump/Trumpism as AZ’s elected official.

    Jeff Flake’s useless: Even Susan Collins can figure out how to advance her values in the current GOP debates. Having Flake on the side of small-government, traditional conservativism is like having nobody on his side.

    Where was Flake on the stump campaigning against Trumpism and for conservative ideas in 2016?

    Where was he when Barack Obama was assaulting fundamental American principles? Was he energizing voters? Confronting Obama’s ideology? Where was this speech when Obama was president?

    Flake’s a phony: He’s quitting because he can’t win, not because his principles will no longer allow him to serve. Give me a Ben Sasse or Bill Kristol over this whiny quitter any day of the week.

    Michael, is this how you deal with people who disagree with you? You just repeat tired old charges that the excusers for Donald Trump always use: You attack others, instead of dealing with what they are saying. Flake may have made mistakes, but he is no phony. Your calling names should be beneath you. He is helping the Republican Party of Arizona, by signaling, at this early stage, that he is not running. Now we have a chance to hold the seat.

    You used to put a “Like” on everyone who made a comment on your podcast, out of courtesy. Now you go to war on people who disagree with you? I guess I know now where you stand!

    I wouldn’t call Flake a phony. He’s not calling himself courageous or heroic. Other people are. If he were saying that about himself, then I’d call him a phony. It’s not courageous to attack when there’s no risk to you anymore.

    Look, if you want to get rid of the ugliness in our politics that has accumulated since Trump, there are exactly two things that can be done. Appealing to the left and NeverTrumpers isn’t either of them.

    You can appeal to Trump supporters and convince them of the ways that Trump’s behavior is often counter-productive, and they should prevail upon him to stop as a matter of self-interest. That only applies to personal behavior.

    Getting rid of the identity politics and no holds barred attacks on the opposition which Trump has embraced requires convincing the left that they shouldn’t do it either. There’s never going to be a unilateral disarmament. Why should there be?

    Did Flake try to appeal to Trump supporters about their interests, or criticize their views on trade & immigration? Did he try to tell the left that Trump was an inevitable response to their choices or did he pander to them? It seems like he was just virtue signalling.

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