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  1. contrarian Member

    re: expulsion…

    I’m not clear on this. What happens afterward?

    Would the governor choose a replacement or would there have to be another special election? If the former, would the replacement have to run again in 2018? If the latter, would it take place shortly after the expulsion or in 2018? I tried to look it up, but I don’t find an answer. What’s the process?

    The GOP senators could say they’d expel, but wouldn’t they have to first assign a committee to investigate the allegations and then propose a resolution requiring a 2/3 vote? I have an interesting idea for how you could argue that the allegations fall within the purview of the senate’s expulsion authority.

    I can see two potential benefits to this strategy.

    The committee hearings would be essentially be like a senate trial of an impeached president. That could be the best outcome, since it addresses the concern (noted by POTUS among others) that mere accusation shouldn’t be allowed to ruin one’s life. This would be a form of due process. Advocating for this would be a principled position to take. It’s arguably the least unjust course of action.

    Also, from a purely pragmatic (cynical?) position, it could be a way you could unite Alabama Republicans and avoid handing the Democrats a seat (which could imperil the majority next year). And for what it’s worth, if this were happening in Indiana, I’d resent the heck out of it if a November surprise meant I would be represented by a senator I opposed and I didn’t even have an opportunity to vote against him.

    Presumably, if this strategy is adopted, then Moore will claim that if he’s given an opportunity to defend himself in the senate hearings, that his (potential) colleagues would exonerate him. (If he refuses to bow out, he can’t claim anything less.) Republicans who’re disgusted and appalled by him can be assured that the process will be fair, and they’ll surely assume he’d be expelled.

    This could be the least bad available option.

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    • November 13, 2017, at 6:44 AM PST
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  2. George Townsend Inactive

    Michael,

    It was either Goober or Gomer Pyle who yelled “Citizen’s Arrest” on the old Andy Griffith Show. I think it was Gomer (AKA Jim Nabors).

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    • November 13, 2017, at 7:20 AM PST
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  3. Umbra Fractus Inactive
    Umbra Fractus Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The “Citizen’s Arrest” thing makes me think of The Burbs, an underrated-but-still-not-very-good Tom Hanks movie from the late 80’s. It also featured Corey Feldman, Bruce Dern, and Henry Gibson.


    Both sides of the Moore controversy are embarrassing themselves. What we have here is the same sort of unsubstantiated mudslinging that happens in every political campaign. Unfortunately we have two factions within the Republican Party (the populists and the so-called “establishment”) who are so literally afraid of each other that if the Democrats want to destroy the GOP from within, they couldn’t ask for a better opportunity.

    There are a few things everyone should agree on:

    1. Roy Moore is innocent until proven guilty.
    2. “I don’t like some of the things he says,” is not proof of guilt.
    3. If he is not guilty then nothing should happen to him. Let the people of Alabama decide.
    4. On the other hand, if he is guilty, stop defending him! I don’t care if they had child brides in the Old Testament*, we don’t allow that in the USA.

    *If people are really using that argument, they’re the ones who should be excommunicated from the conservative movement.

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    • November 13, 2017, at 8:09 AM PST
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  4. Arahant Member

    What’s with begging for e-mails? Yeah, I’m old enough to get the “Citizen’s arrest” thing. But if you really want e-mails, I tell you how to get onto spammers’ lists.

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    • November 13, 2017, at 8:10 AM PST
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  5. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    The “Citizen’s Arrest” thing makes me think of The Burbs, an underrated-but-still-not-very-good Tom Hanks movie from the late 80’s. It also featured Corey Feldman, Bruce Dern, and Henry Gibson.


    Both sides of the Moore controversy are embarrassing themselves. What we have here is the same sort of unsubstantiated mudslinging that happens in every political campaign. Unfortunately we have two factions within the Republican Party (the populists and the so-called “establishment”) who are so literally afraid of each other that if the Democrats want to destroy the GOP from within, they couldn’t ask for a better opportunity.

    There are a few things everyone should agree on:

    1. Roy Moore is innocent until proven guilty.
    2. “I don’t like some of the things he says,” is not proof of guilt.
    3. If he is not guilty then nothing should happen to him. Let the people of Alabama decide.
    4. On the other hand, if he is guilty, stop defending him! I don’t care if they had child brides in the Old Testament*, we don’t allow that in the USA.

    *If people are really using that argument, they’re the ones who should be excommunicated from the conservative movement.

    #2. Some of the things he says is proof when he admits he dated high school girls.

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    • November 13, 2017, at 8:30 AM PST
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  6. contrarian Member

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    it was Gomer (AKA Jim Nabors).

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    • November 13, 2017, at 10:08 AM PST
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  7. contrarian Member

    Arahant (View Comment):
    if you really want e-mails

    people listen to the podcast who aren’t on ricochet

    where else would they send the answer?

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    • November 13, 2017, at 10:11 AM PST
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  8. Arahant Member

    contrarian (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    if you really want e-mails

    people listen to the podcast who aren’t on ricochet

    where else would they send the answer?

    The point is, what’s in it for them to answer? It’s not like he said he was giving Snickers Bars for the correct answer. So, it’s a ploy for their e-mail addresses. Or to get e-mail.

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    • November 13, 2017, at 10:17 AM PST
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