Everything You Need To Know About The GOP Tax Cut Plan

Everything you need to know about the GOP tax plan from two terrific experts: Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform and economist James Pethokoukis of the American Enterprise Institute;

Another #MAGAMonday segment, starring longtime blogger and Istapundit favorite Don Surber;

Team Obama finally finds a “red line” they will enforce;

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  1. Arahant Member
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    On all your survey numbers, what’s your solution? It just sounds like you’re being Cassandra here. Are Republicans going to fix it, you ask? What would you suggest? What’s the fix? Have Donald J. shut up? First, that’s not going to happen, and second, as your guest mentioned, some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    How about this: quit being Mr. Doom and Gloom. Do we have challenges? Sure. But if your solution is to decry our side and highlight our challenges every day, why should we listen to you? We can get this crap from CNN and MSNBC. Besides bringing on your guests, what has Michael Graham done for us lately? It’s fine to report the numbers, but you don’t have to set your hair on fire over them or try to get us to do the same.

    Straighten up and fly right, Michael. You’re in a blue-state miasma. Stay strong.

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  2. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

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  3. Michael Graham Contributor
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

    I’m with you, Julia–as are an overwhelming number of Americans. Getting angry over what the polls/voter turnout/election results actually show is just another form of “stupid on purpose.”

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  4. Arahant Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

    That’s fine. I never much understand why people think most comedians are funny.

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  5. Arahant Member
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    Michael Graham (View Comment):
    Getting angry over what the polls/voter turnout/election results actually show is just another form of “stupid on purpose.”

    I’m not angry over the polls, Michael. I’m angry over your constant glee in bringing bad news with no real solutions. It is possible to say:

    “Here are the numbers. It does not look good for us. (Here are my suggestions of what we need to do/I don’t have any ideas. Does anyone else?)”

    Again, if I want glee in bad news, however it may be disguised, I can go to CNN for that. I want to hear someone working for our side here on Ricochet.

    I’m bothering to engage here for a reason, Michael. Whatcha got?

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  6. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    Michael Graham (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

    I’m with you, Julia–as are an overwhelming number of Americans. Getting angry over what the polls/voter turnout/election results actually show is just another form of “stupid on purpose.”

    Who’s the target audience for your podcast?

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  7. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

    Try.

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  8. colleenb Member
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    I’m not the biggest G Norquist fan but this is the second time I’ve heard him talk about the tax plan and he certainly (1) knows his stuff and (2) makes a good case for it.

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  9. spaceman_spiff Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    On all your survey numbers, what’s your solution? It just sounds like you’re being Cassandra here. Are Republicans going to fix it, you ask? What would you suggest? What’s the fix? Have Donald J. shut up? First, that’s not going to happen, and second, as your guest mentioned, some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    A lot of us don’t. No, he’s not going to shut up but that doesn’t magically mean his tweets aren’t causing problems for the GOP! The polls are against them. WHY is that? It’s not just the tweets. The health care debacle is also part of it but even there Trump’s rhetorical contributions didn’t help. If you really were interested in a solution, the reactions to his tweets would matter to you. Those of us who don’t find his antics refreshing are the very people the GOP needs to win to their side.

     

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  10. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
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    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

    Try.

    Why? My disgust for Trump and his antics only grows. I believe it is Pence and some in his cabinet we can thank for the good things coming from this Administration and I give Trump credit for putting them in place. However, we could have had those good things with almost any of the other primary candidates, WITHOUT Trump’s cringe inducing behavior. And yes, I think several would have easily beaten Hillary and even won the popular vote as well. Trump’s role in all this is to act like a vulgar fool. I am not going to even try to like it.

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  11. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    I am not going to even try to like it.

    That’s not what I asked you to do.

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    some of us consider his antics refreshing.

    I will never understand this.

    Try.

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  12. Arahant Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    And yes, I think several would have easily beaten Hillary and even won the popular vote as well.

    I’m not sure that it’s true that several would have. The only two whom I would give a chance would be Scott Walker and Ted Cruz. And frankly, Ted Cruz was not seen favorably by a lot of people. (I voted for him in the primary because Walker had dropped out long before.)

    As I already said, I am fine that you don’t enjoy Trump’s act. I’m ambivalent at best. Just, please do not destroy everything just because you have no common ground with Trump.

    Would I like to see the whole GOP, including Trump, do a better job of getting the truth out there and selling our ideas to a broader audience? Yes, I would. Does it help our side when half our people tear down McConnell and Ryan and the other half tear down Trump? No, it does not. We are a coalition, not one unified group. But we need the coalition to find common ground so we get things done. If we can only do what we supposedly agree on, that would take us a very long way.

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  13. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    And yes, I think several would have easily beaten Hillary and even won the popular vote as well.

    I’m not sure that it’s true that several would have. The only two whom I would give a chance would be Scott Walker and Ted Cruz. And frankly, Ted Cruz was not seen favorably by a lot of people. (I voted for him in the primary because Walker had dropped out long before.)

    As I already said, I am fine that you don’t enjoy Trump’s act. I’m ambivalent at best. Just, please do not destroy everything just because you have no common ground with Trump.

    Would I like to see the whole GOP, including Trump, do a better job of getting the truth out there and selling our ideas to a broader audience? Yes, I would. Does it help our side when half our people tear down McConnell and Ryan and the other half tear down Trump? No, it does not. We are a coalition, not one unified group. But we need the coalition to find common ground so we get things done. If we can only do what we supposedly agree on, that would take us a very long way.

    Little ‘ol me? I’m an old grandma with one vote and can’t destroy anything. Trumpers and Bannon followers can though. Sorry but I’m too old to try to understand why people could possibly like Trump. I believe they are deluded at best. I think it is best for the country and for the GOP if people (like Mr. Surber) would stop their hero worship of Trump and look at him objectively. He seems to think we only need Trump and that we have a monarchy again or something. Everything Trump has done (with the exception of judges) can and will be undone with lightening speed as soon as the democrats get their next loon elected. So go ahead and praise Trump for saving us from Hillary and for Gorsuch but if he doesn’t quit his antics, we could easily get President Kamala Harris (or similar) in 2020.

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  14. Arahant Member
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    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    The health care debacle is also part of it but even there Trump’s rhetorical contributions didn’t help.

    True, and certain Senators actively voted against it, something Trump never got to do, did he?

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    If you really were interested in a solution, the reactions to his tweets would matter to you.

    They do matter, but I know that I have no power to change them, so I’m not whining about them. I might have some small ability to change Michael’s propensities, since he reads the comments here. Michael has a much larger audience than I do, and if he goes in a better direction, that is huge leverage.

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Those of us who don’t find his antics refreshing are the very people the GOP needs to win to their side.

    Who is the GOP? If it is not you and me, who is it? Have you ceded the party to Trump? Does it belong to McConnell? Or is it a membership organization that belongs to all of its members. If you’re going to pack up and go home crying because some politician tweets in a way you don’t like, then you’re nothing. Fight for the GOP you want.

    But also realize that every political party is a coalition. We don’t have the luxury to toss out everyone we don’t want in the coalition unless we can find other constituencies to replace them. So, who have you got in your back pocket to build the coalition with?

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  15. Arahant Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    I’m an old grandma with one vote and can’t destroy anything. Trumpers and Bannon followers can though.

    Why can they? Only because they have numbers and are willing to fight instead of deploring the fact that politics is an ugly, dirty game. People like you probably have higher numbers, but if you take your ball (vote) and go home every time something goes sideways or something might violate your principles, then you are correct that you have no power.

    I’m a classical liberal. The closest party to my views is the Libertarian Party. I have not voted for a Libertarian (so labeled) in over a quarter of a century. Why? Because I can do more as part of a larger coalition than I can in a party that can’t muster 5%. That coalition has nominated people like McCain who was incapable of running a national campaign. I held my breath and voted for him. I’ve held my breath and voted for a lot of candidates. A few have pleasantly surprised me. Donald Trump is one of those. Yes, he’s imperfect. Yes, he’s a vulgarian populist at heart. On the other hand, he’s doing the right things, or trying to. And a few of my votes have counted for something, even if my principles are somehow sullied by voting for the less worst candidate according to some.

    So, if you want to just be a grandma with one vote, that’s fine. But there are more of you out there deploring things and sitting on the sidelines than you know.

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  16. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):
    So, if you want to just be a grandma with one vote, that’s fine. But there are more of you out there deploring things and sitting on the sidelines than you know.

    I see the danger in electing Trump. You do not. He hasn’t pleasantly surprised me. He is doing exactly what I thought he’d do. And I am afraid he will do much more that will be bad. I voted so I did not sit on the sidelines. And I agree that there are a lot of people out there who feel the same way. People who refuse to vote for Moore or Gillespie because they wanted to send Trump a message. Republicans in Congress are in a hopeless position. I believe there will be far fewer of them after 2018. Trumpers like Mr. Surber do not think that will matter. That is delusional. Trump needs to stop the antics now. He can’t. He’s a huge problem.

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  17. Michael Graham Contributor
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    Peeps!

    This is not an “either/or” proposition. I love conservative judges as my guest Don Surber laid out.  I hate insulting attacks from a sitting president that demean him and the people who voted for him.

    I love cutting taxes. I hate a president who doesn’t know enough math to explain the policies he’s pushing.

    I love aggressive deregulations. I hate a narcissist who’s so paranoid someone might take away the glory of his electoral victory that he digs political holes that prevent him from doing more.

    Someone asked who “my target market is.” It’s people who are able to hold more than one idea in their minds at the same time.  People who are staunchly conservative but refuse to cross the line into “crazy”–at least not on purpose.

    Is there room for us on the Right? I think so….but what the hell do I know. But I can do math, and I can read the 2017 election results and I can read polls. The Right has a problem, and yelling “you suck, shut up!” at everyone who notices it is probably not the smartest strategy for solving it.

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  18. Arahant Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    I see the danger in electing Trump. You do not.

    I beg to differ. I saw it very well, and thought it would be much worse than it has been. I still voted for him in the general election, because Hillary would have been much, much worse.

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    He hasn’t pleasantly surprised me.

    You must be an optimist, then. The reason I am pleasantly surprised is because I expected much worse. I expected him to give us crappy judges like his sister. I expected to see other things that were much worse than I’m seeing. I’m not sure I would even give him a C grade, so far, but it is definitely in the exceeds expectations category.

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Republicans in Congress are in a hopeless position. I believe there will be far fewer of them after 2018.

    I can only vote for one Congressman. I hope to send a Republican to Congress again. I believe one of my idiot Senators is up for election. If so, I will vote against them as usual, because they’re Democrats. If we each send Republicans to Washington where they are now, we’re probably going to be okay. If we sit on our duffs, we will not.

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Trumpers like Mr. Surber do not think that will matter. That is delusional.

    Yep. Or at least, probably. I have seen too many pollsters blow it and have stopped participating in polls myself. Maybe the delusional is the truth. Remember all the polls on who was going to win in 2016?

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Trump needs to stop the antics now. He can’t. He’s a huge problem.

    Again, it’s not going to happen. Unless you’ve got a magic wand, Trump is going to continue being Trump. Accept it. Get over it. And then let’s see what we can do to accentuate the good parts of that and mitigate the bad.

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  19. Arahant Member
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    Michael Graham (View Comment):
    The Right has a problem, and yelling “you suck, shut up!” at everyone who notices it is probably not the smartest strategy for solving it.

    Agreed, and again, that is not what I am saying. Let’s get off Destruct and into Construct.

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  20. Arahant Member
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    One thing I think will help is to promote the ideas that:

    • Every political party is a coalition of minorities having some mutual interests, and
    • It is not giving up one’s principles to vote for a bad candidate over a much worse candidate. Render unto Cæsar what is Cæsar’s, etc. In this case, render unto principle that which is principles and unto politics that which is politics.
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  21. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    I have been amazed by the negative polls on the tax bill that have come out in the last two weeks . Has anyone stopped to think that the bill is just now being finalized? How could anyone intelligently respond to a poll on that bill last week or the week before? Where were these people getting their information — from the pundits on TV? I went to a dinner a week ago and was told by a Dem friend that she opposed the tax bill and was totally unable to tell me what specific provisions she didn’t like other than to repeat the Dem mantra of tax breaks for the rich. I frankly told her I didn’t really know what to think about it yet as it hadn’t been finalized. The trouble with many voters in this country is a ridiculous reliance on soundbites for their information which is often reflected in their  poll responses.

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  22. Arahant Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    The trouble with many voters in this country is a ridiculous reliance on soundbites for their information which is often reflected in their poll responses.

    Amen, but there are all sorts of polls, including the ones on election day. If the low-information voters trouble themselves to come out, we’re always in trouble.

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  23. LibertyDefender Member
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    colleenb (View Comment):
    I’m not the biggest G Norquist fan but this is the second time I’ve heard him talk about the tax plan and he certainly (1) knows his stuff and (2) makes a good case for it.

    I agree with both your points (1) and (2).  Grover Norquist is a well informed expert on tax issues whose passions occasionally get the best of him.

    Today Grover Norquist was ON FIRE with his analogies!

    • If you believe that when the Berlin Wall came down, people were expelled from East Germany; and
    • If someone said “we got rid of five of the six tapeworms in your intestines, …”

    Brilliant.  Another GREAT SHOW, @michaelgraham Michael!

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  24. LibertyDefender Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Everything Trump has done (with the exception of judges) can and will be undone with lightening speed as soon as the democrats get their next loon elected.

    • ISIS will rise from the dead;
    • The US will convene and join new Paris Climate Accords;
    • Oil pumped from ANWR will be returned to the source;
    • Taxes will be raised;
    • Jerusalem will no longer be Israel’s capital;

    Overnight.

    Who looks more foolish today: the reluctant Trump voter, or the enthusiastic Evan McMullin voter?

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  25. FredGoodhue Coolidge
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    Democrats have found the off year turnout engine which has, and will, bring out their voters who normally just vote in Presidential elections.  It’s Donald Trump’s behavior, and to a lesser extent, his policies.  Every few days Trump reminds people who hate him why they hate him.  There is not time for that red hot hate to cool off.  We do get a lot of good things with Trump’s policies, but the behavior makes things worse.

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