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There are 12 comments.

  1. mildlyo Member

    Mr Cookes plaintive lament about how every American thinks the rest of the country is terrible is familiar. Another Englishman named Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote a scene a century ago saying the exact same thing.

    The book is in the public domain. The scene is the second half of chapter 27.

    We call this civic pride. You’ll get there, Charles. Give it time.

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    • September 22, 2019, at 8:25 AM PDT
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  2. Taras Coolidge

    Perhaps typical of conservative anti-Trumpers, Kevin Williamson holds his knowledge of liberal media bias, and his belief in Donald Trump’s unique unpopularity, in different parts of his brain.

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he faced a balanced media? Or even a media like other Republican Presidents faced, that was biased but not a crazed lynch mob?

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    • September 22, 2019, at 9:11 AM PDT
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  3. Taras Coolidge

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Mr Cookes plaintive lament about how every American thinks the rest of the country is terrible is familiar. Another Englishman named Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote a scene a century ago saying the exact same thing.

    The book is in the public domain. The scene is the second half of chapter 27.

    We call this civic pride. You’ll get there, Charles. Give it time.

    Actually, I found that latter part of the podcast puzzling, because Kevin and Charlie give no examples of what they are referring to.

    For example, have conservatives rejected the academy, or has the academy rejected them, refusing to hire or promote or grant tenure to conservatives?

    Do conservatives refuse to work for tech companies, or are the tech companies reluctant to hire them, and eager to persecute and fire them?

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    • September 22, 2019, at 9:41 AM PDT
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  4. RufusRJones Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    For example, have conservatives rejected the academy, or has the academy rejected them, refusing to hire or promote or grant tenure to conservatives?

    Do conservatives refuse to work for tech companies, or are the tech companies reluctant to hire them, and eager to persecute and fire them?

    The issue is how much you pour into colleges versus how much human, financial, and social capital gets developed. The value proposition is just terrible in many cases. Then throw in all of the propaganda and administrative waste and (effective) theft. People are rightly angry about it.

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    • September 22, 2019, at 9:48 AM PDT
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  5. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Taras (View Comment):

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he faced a balanced media?

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he had a balanced psyche?

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    • September 22, 2019, at 12:58 PM PDT
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  6. Taras Coolidge

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he faced a balanced media?

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he had a balanced psyche?

    I remember when a liberal friend was talking about how awful Newt Gingrich was. How much time had he spent following and observing Gingrich, I asked, before reaching his own conclusions?

    But of course he was merely regurgitating propaganda he had seen in the liberal media.

    If Trump did not fight back (if that’s what you really mean), no doubt his approval ratings would resemble those of the famously well-balanced Bushes when they left office: 20-25%.

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    • September 22, 2019, at 5:29 PM PDT
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  7. Annefy Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he faced a balanced media?

    What would Trump’s approval numbers look like if he had a balanced psyche?

    I remember when a liberal friend was talking about how awful Newt Gingrich was. How much time had he spent following and observing Gingrich, I asked, before reaching his own conclusions?

    But of course he was merely regurgitating propaganda he had seen in the liberal media.

    If Trump did not fight back (if that’s what you really mean), no doubt his approval ratings would resemble those of the famously well-balanced Bushes when they left office: 20-25%.

    One of my sisters (who def leans Conservative) was over a few months ago and criticized DT tweets. Not that he tweets; the content of his tweets.

    How many had she read? Not one. She’s not on Twitter, nor FB.

    She was basing her opinion solely on the tweets that she saw reported

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    • September 22, 2019, at 6:56 PM PDT
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  8. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Taras (View Comment):
    If Trump did not fight back (if that’s what you really mean),

    No, that is not what I really mean.

    Annefy (View Comment):

    One of my sisters (who def leans Conservative) was over a few months ago and criticized DT tweets. Not that he tweets; the content of his tweets.

    How many had she read? Not one. She’s not on Twitter, nor FB.

    She was basing her opinion solely on the tweets that she saw reported

    And was the content of these tweets reported inaccurately?

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    • September 22, 2019, at 9:13 PM PDT
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  9. Taras Coolidge

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    If Trump did not fight back (if that’s what you really mean),

    No, that is not what I really mean.

    Annefy (View Comment):

    One of my sisters (who def leans Conservative) was over a few months ago and criticized DT tweets. Not that he tweets; the content of his tweets.

    How many had she read? Not one. She’s not on Twitter, nor FB.

    She was basing her opinion solely on the tweets that she saw reported

    And was the content of these tweets reported inaccurately?

    @danielsterman — The point is, the media do what you’re doing right now: quoting out of context. That’s when they aren’t making things up out of whole cloth, of course.

    I was trying to be a little bit tactful. Obviously, your questioning whether Trump’s psyche is “balanced” (whatever that means) is illegitimate: not based on your personal knowledge or some kind of objective psychiatric records to which you have access, but on hostile media reports. 

    Whenever a new Republican appears on the national scene, the media’s first question is, how do we destroy this one? Will he be depicted as weird, or stupid, or ugly, or evil, or out of touch, or treasonous, or unbalanced, or drinking too much water? The end always justifies the means. 

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    • September 22, 2019, at 9:55 PM PDT
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  10. Annefy Member

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    If Trump did not fight back (if that’s what you really mean),

    No, that is not what I really mean.

    Annefy (View Comment):

    One of my sisters (who def leans Conservative) was over a few months ago and criticized DT tweets. Not that he tweets; the content of his tweets.

    How many had she read? Not one. She’s not on Twitter, nor FB.

    She was basing her opinion solely on the tweets that she saw reported

    And was the content of these tweets reported inaccurately?

    Well, she didn’t quote any of them to me, so I have no idea.

    I simply suggested she follow him on Twitter and read all his tweets, or ignore the ones she saw reported. It’s what I do and I’ve found it helpful.

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    • September 22, 2019, at 10:44 PM PDT
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  11. EDISONPARKS Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    Daniel Sterman (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    If Trump did not fight back (if that’s what you really mean),

    No, that is not what I really mean.

    Annefy (View Comment):

    One of my sisters (who def leans Conservative) was over a few months ago and criticized DT tweets. Not that he tweets; the content of his tweets.

    How many had she read? Not one. She’s not on Twitter, nor FB.

    She was basing her opinion solely on the tweets that she saw reported

    And was the content of these tweets reported inaccurately?

    @danielsterman — The point is, the media do what you’re doing right now: quoting out of context. That’s when they aren’t making things up out of whole cloth, of course.

    I was trying to be a little bit tactful. Obviously, your questioning whether Trump’s psyche is “balanced” (whatever that means) is illegitimate: not based on your personal knowledge or some kind of objective psychiatric records to which you have access, but on hostile media reports.

    Whenever a new Republican appears on the national scene, the media’s first question is, how do we destroy this one? Will he be depicted as weird, or stupid, or ugly, or evil, or out of touch, or treasonous, or unbalanced, or drinking too much water? The end always justifies the means.

    The narrative starts out as Trump is bad and the MSM then works all their stories in that direction.

    So if Trump is good … it goes largely unremarked upon, and if Trump is bad(which he certainly can be) it becomes an existential crisis (ie: IMPEACHMENT!!!) …. (BTW: This is the inverse of the MSM’s reporting during the Obama years.)

    My most enjoyable MSM observation in the age of Trump is the “crisis” which has always existed(in some way shape or form) but has only become a “crisis” because Trump is President.

    For instance, the MSM warned their audience that no administration had ever had so many Russian contacts before and after the 2016 election. Well, I had no idea we even kept such a metric, and just exactly who is the source of the MSM’s reported metric(ie: John Brennan or James Clapper?). Given there was never really any “contact” with the communist Soviet Union, then the Russia contact “metric” only existed since around 1992, covering only 4 other administrations, so if such a metric happens to be accurate, then it really is not that large of a data base to work with and the MSM never offered how much more contact the Trump administration had as compared to other administrations.

    The MSM simply offers up yet another “this is a really bad thing” and their audience uncritically eats it up, and marches off the cliff content that all the other “cool” lemmings hate Trump too.

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    • September 23, 2019, at 4:02 PM PDT
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  12. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Funny thing about the media: At the same time that it believed Mitt Romney was evil, it also believed the sky was blue.

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    • September 23, 2019, at 10:00 PM PDT
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