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This week’s episode begins on a sceptical note, namely the lads talking about the live recording of Toby’s “other” podcast (The Weekly Sceptic) at the Emmanuel Centre on Saturday evening. When James organised a live recording of The Delingpod at the same venue, he sold out the 900-seat auditorium, but Tobes only managed to fill the 250-seater. The first question during the Q&A was from a fan who asked how much longer the London Calling can continue, given how acrimonious some of the exchanges between the hosts are getting and how they often seem to be talking past each other.
After we’ve got that out the way, they just about have time to pay tribute to two of their favourite writers, Martin Amis and Jeremy Clarke, who both died at the weekend.
Opening sound this week is the late Jeremy Clarke reading from his column Low Life: Dead cool (September 3, 2016) from The Spectator via Facebook.
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It sounds to me like James is entering into a purity spiral, which is kind of rich given that he’s provided no evidence whatsoever for the value of going down the rabbit hole. I’m definitely closer to James than to Toby in terms of the capture of global elites and the great likelihood of vast conspiracies taking place, but Toby gives reasons for his point of view rather than merely assert that everything that’s happening—and that has always happened—is merely a psy-op by a team of conspirators he never names and whose actions he never documents. Then, too, he sounds like a total academic woke-e in referring to the British Empire as a construct (in other words, as reality created by the utterance of words). I guess I’m not so much Team Toby or Team James as I am Team Be Here Now and definitely not Team Too Far Gone.
Am I to understand that James doesn’t think we landed on the Moon? WTF?
This is what happens when large swaths of officialdom lies repeatedly – even the most normal, rational people begin questioning everything they’ve been told in the past. The next logical question after the lies are exposed is, “Ok, when did this start?”
And one looks at major reflection points: 2016, 2001, Watergate, 1969, 1963, 1945… when did it all go to hell in a hand basket?
I must admit before we recorded today’s episode I was like Toby, I had never heard of Carrol Quigley. At one time he was a respected historian at Georgetown. (James erroneously linked him to Hoover.) He became a favorite among a diverse set of people, from students such as Bill Clinton to John Birchers to the Rev. Pat Robertson. One of his most controversial books was The Anglo-American Establishment that was written in 1949 but not published until four years after his death.
Team James mentions Tragedy & Hope : A history of the world in our time by Prof Carroll Quigley. It is an autobiography of a secret society of extremely rich people often in positions of power, set up by Sir Cecil Rhodes in 1894. Quigley was given access to their records and revelled in their cause to conspire for global governance under their control to prevent wars. The book was meant for their own private reading and for academics. Very dry reading, it is an account of all their achievements up 1960. Lord Milner took over control of the society in 1902 upon the death of Rhodes. The society operates today out of Chatham House, AKA Council on Foreign Relations and Royal Institute for International Affairs. Most foreign policy for the USA and UK is thinktanked by Chatham House.
There is an interesting lecture on Youtube by G.Edward Griffin on the “Quigley Formula” if you don’t wish to read the history book. Quigley Formula is how to offer democracy, but give them controlled democracy where all the candidates in the 2 main political parties are in the pocket of the society. Very similar to WEF having “their man” from Young Global Leaders in half the governments of the world as admitted by Klaus Schwab.
How would you know we landed on the Moon? The only evidence comes from the US and NASA who had a vested interest to get a man on the Moon by end of the decade in the 60″ and apparently made further manned landings in the early 70’s, but curiously never returned. Why? Using less technology than in your calculator. All footage shown on TV could’ve been faked by Stanley Kubrick in the training exercises in the Nevada desert.
With 9-11 there are so many holes in the official narrative.
If you take it as true that 2 planes crashed into the Twin Towers cause them to fall, then how did Building 7, a 47 storey office block (Saloman Building) , freefall within its own footprint 300meters away was not hit by anything. It did though have an office within Building 7 that managed to lose $3 trillion in defence funding, announced the day before by Donald Rumsfeld. The Office in the Pentagon hit by the third plane was also dealing with the loss of the $3trillion and the brand new air defence missile system also disabled.
How did “terrorists” onboard of the 4 commercial airplanes manage to disable the North American air defence shield (NORAD)?
How did they know Bin Laden was behind the attack within an hour of the attack?
How did passengers onboard the 4 hijacked planes make cellphone calls from 30,000 feet when mobile technology in 2001 made such calls impossible?
Why was the crime scene at the World Trade Centre ground zero cleaned up before the evidence could be analysed by the FBI? Interfering in a crime scene is a federal offence.
Why aren’t the authorities concerned that 3 steel framed buildings should collapse are not interested at all in investigating the reasons why they fell, including Building 7 not hit by a plane?
Why is it no one seems to know about building 7? The smoking gun is Building 7. Not even the most ardent and fastest demolition team could do a controlled demolition in the same day, which means charges were placed weeks and days before the attack. The 4th plane crashed in Pennsylvania I assume was meant to crash into Building 7, those responsible for the attacks were stuck with a building primed for demolition, “pulled it” in the words of Larry Silverstein at 5:20pm.
If charges were placed weeks before, that indicates an inside job.
The fires from the jet fuel heated the steel to soften/compromise the strength and it eventually collapsed under its own weight
It was hit, and it’s structure damaged from the tremendous seismic activity from falling buildings. There are pictures showing the damage from the falling towers. Plus they had fires from the damage as well. See heated steel above for more on that.
Also not true, as you know money is “digital” so was not just in some vault or server in that building. This has also been covered before. Nothing new here.
The implications that some “loss” of digital bank account info was something the Pentagon was “dealing” with that somehow failed to react to a low-flying plane is rather untenable. Maybe one person at one computer was looking at funds – if that.
They didn’t disable an air defense shield, they hijacked passenger jets that were internal to the US. The NORAD shield is primarily for incoming objects external to the US. There are also rumors that the PA plane was going to be shot down before the “Let’s Roll” moment
The previous knowledge of his desires combined with the international chatter that it was successful. The spies are spying.
Only two calls were made from cell phone (the rest from plane phones) and those were made when the PA plane had descended to 5k feet.
They were looking for bodies, but just so you know, there were forensic investigators on the scene.
Went over this already. Heat compromised the integrity of steel – doesn’t need to melt – just needs to be weakened enough that the load is too much.
We do know. Covered above.
The consensus is that plane was heading to DC to hit Capitol or WH. Planting explosives is soooo complex compared to the logical answers provided.
I get it’s hard to comprehend- I went down all these rabbit holes myself. The conclusion is rational, but the conspiracy is alluring. Planting explosives would be insanely complex and difficult. Reality is far more believable.
Everybody knows about 7 WTC. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) did a comprehensive study and released a report in 2017. Debris from 1 WTC set the building on fire which ran uncontrolled because the collapse of the other two towers damaged the fire control system. NYFD was not in a position to fight it.
From a Popular Mechanics article on the report:
Unless you want to get in bed with Rosie O’Donnell (ewwwwww), fire doesn’t have to melt steel, it only has to weaken it to the point of structural failure.
Building fires of 8ooC don’t reach the required temperatures to melt or soften steel girders. It could burn uncontrolled from top to bottom and the frames would still be standing.
If all you need is a few office fires to demolish an entire office block, we don’t need demolition teams working for months to weaken the structure, drill holes in multiple beams then?
That could be said for nearly every steel framed office building in the world.
A “few office fires?” We’re talking about entire floors engulfed in flames and zero mitigation.
But that sentence also completely kills your theory. Think about it. Who in the hell is not going to hear or see demo experts drilling and placing charges from the month of June on? “Hey, Ralph, what’s with all the holes and wires in the support beams on the parking levels?”
“Nothin’.”
It doesn’t kill the theory at all. The building could burn from top to bottom and it would still stand. It requires explosive charges to take out these beams.
Of course it does. The building’s main occupant was Solomon Smith Barney (then a division on Citi Group). You’re proposing that their 2,500 employees – all of whom were evacuated safely – never noticed that a demolition team was drilling holes and placing explosive charges all over their building for three months. OR, and this is where it completely falls apart, all of them were in on the conspiracy and never broke their silence. That just doesn’t hold any water. At all.
Your right. the 9-11 theory made up by the media, doesn’t hold any water at all.
Because John Young placed an experiment on the Moon that consisted of a plurality of reflectors. There is a group in Australia that regularly shoots a laser pulse at the reflector and records the time until the reflection. This has allowed us for the last 50 years or so to precisely measure the distance between the Moon and the Earth. If we didn’t land on the Moon, what the hell is it reflecting off of? Also, tens of thousands of NASA employees, each carefully studying mission data as wee landed on the Moon would all have had to have been in on it and to have remained silent to this day. Not possible. And lastly, because we simply did land on the Moon. Duh.
The only proof then is a mirror on the Moon, which could’ve been dropped.
10’s of thousands of NASA employees were monitoring thousands of pieces of equipment which can all be faked to simulate a trajectory from a computer model, would not know if what they were looking at was real or fake, any more than millions of other watching on their TV’s, the feed provided by NASA.
I’m open to the US did not land on the Moon, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Why haven’t the US been back in 50 years? It must have some strategic and scientific value, even if it’s just a rock orbiting the Earth.
I’m also waiting for visual proof from independent sources to verify all the landing sites.
We can take pictures of distant galaxies with crystal clear clarity, but locations on the Moon are not available when asked?
We have plenty of photos of our “Apollo litter.”
Simon B: Why haven’t the US been back in 50 years? It must have some strategic and scientific value, even if it’s just a rock orbiting the Earth.
The value of anything is based on the labor and resources it takes to exploit them. The entirety of the Apollo program was based on “because it’s there” not “because we’re gonna make tons of money or gain some military advantage.”
Where did the photos come from? I could make a mock up model, made of cheese of the lunar surface and snap away. Source please? It has to be independent of NASA.
Every advance is about military and strategic value especially with government.
Don’t kid yourself we would be going there just because it’s there.
Can you imagine Christopher Columbus rocking up on the shores of the Americas in 1492 and saying “dun that, nothing else to see here, let’s go home”?
Not in human nature to spend all that time and effort to get to the Moon, walk around abit, leave the Moon for 50 years for others to exploit. That speaks volumes we didn’t go.
That you’re not going to get. From skyandtelescope.org: “As you’re well aware, no telescope on Earth can see the leftover descent stages of the Apollo Lunar Modules or anything else Apollo-related. Not even the Hubble Space Telescope can discern evidence of the Apollo landings. The laws of optics define its limits.”
The pic above comes from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter which dips as low as 31 miles above the lunar surface.
Let’s see. In current US dollars Columbus’ first voyage cost around $240K. What was the return on that investment? Conversely, in modern dollars we spent $257 billion on the Apollo program. What’s the ROI there?
Is this a thread about whether the Moon landing and 9/11 actually happened?
Really?
Sure we can: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html. Although, this proves nothing. Maybe NASA just hired some painters to paint the landing sites on the picture of the moon that is itself painted on a dome encircling the earth just a few miles up all of which is contained in a giant sound studio. Right? Like you, I’m open to the idea that there really isn’t a moon and that the government fakes it in the sky. I know what you are thinking: but didn’t the ancient Egyptians talk about the moon and draw pictures of it? Sheyahhhh! Like the pyramids and that whole civilization weren’t faked by the Eisenhower administration. Am I right? Have you ever met anyone who saw the pyramids? If so, didn’t they seem a little too much like someone who saw the pyramids? Like a “CIA saw the pyramids” sort of gent. And if you have seen the Khufu’s handiwork yourself, didn’t it look like something thrown up yesterday and made to look old. I mean, didn’t it look just a little too authentic? You get me amigo?
Apparently. Scary right? I lost a lot of respect for Delingpole. To be clear, the Nixon we sent to China was not the Nixon that came back. I’ve said too much.
I was there for the entirety, EJ, and you’re absolutely right. JFK was very bullish on going to the moon (elicited in part by Sputnik), and NASA took up the challenge. Everyone was amazed. Got up early for every launch (like tons of people today watch SpaceX do its thing). I always figured we didn’t go back to the moon because NASA decided to focus on space travel instead.
I’m surprised the grassy knoll hasn’t been thrown in also.
I wouldn’t mind James and his theories so much if he weren’t so more righteous than thou about them. Toby apparently cannot hold his own beliefs in good faith – it must be because he is incurious and cowardly.
I think I’m going to give this episode a pass. #TeamToby.
The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is a NASA robotic orbital satellite. So what you’re saying there is no evidence that can be independently verified they were there.
Nowhere in my comment did I say the Moon doesn’t exist, nor am I claiming the US didn’t land on the Moon. Nor am I denying the US spent $billions on a space program to “send a man to the Moon by the end of the decade”. All other NASA manned missions have been near Earth orbit. Apollo Moon rockets did lift off into space as witnessed by millions, those too could’ve been near Earth orbit and you wouldn’t be any the wiser. The rest you take on trust that what you see being fed to you on your TV by the media by NASA is can be faked. There is no independent verifiable proof that they did land on the Moon apart from they said they went, a few pictures all of them sourced from NASA, which can all be faked.
The US government lies about everything else, lied about covid, lied about the jabs, lied about lab research in Wuhan, they lie as if it’s going out of fashion, so why not lie about this too?
The forensic evidence says the bullet entered the front of the skull, the back of his skull was blown off. Sorry to be so descriptive, but it tells a forensic tale there was another shooter in front of the motorcade. Whether that was on a grassy knoll, no one really knows. So if you believe a bullet can midflight turn around and hit JFK in the front from a book depository behind the motorcade, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I had to google the meaning of “blimpish.”
Wow. I heard about Quigley at GU even though I graduated in 76. He still had a rep – one of those professors everyone remembered.