Losing Control of the House

On Tuesday, during a speech by the Prime Minister, Tory MP Phillip Lee walked across the floor of the Commons and joined the Liberal Democrats. Boris Johnson’s working majority in the House has been reduced from one to zero. On this edition of the United Kingdom’s Most Trusted Podcast® James and Toby let us know where we stand at this hour.

The next few days may mean a general election – but when? Brexit is in the balance.

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There are 14 comments.

  1. Snirtler Member

    “Boris Johnson’s working majority in the House has been reduced from one to zero.”

    And if the vote goes against him tonight and the government follows through on the threat of withdrawing the whip from rebel Tories, that number becomes negative and makes Johnson’s government a minority one.

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    • September 3, 2019, at 1:44 PM PST
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  2. Snirtler Member

    Snirtler (View Comment):

    “Boris Johnson’s working majority in the House has been reduced from one to zero.”

    And if the vote goes against him tonight and the government follows through on the threat of withdrawing the whip from rebel Tories, that number becomes negative and makes Johnson’s government a minority one.

    Unceasingly interesting …

    After tonight’s vote:

    SNP – says yes to an election

    Lib Dems – Swinson made noises hinting no

    Corbyn & Labour – will they or won’t they go for an election?

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    • September 3, 2019, at 2:22 PM PST
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  3. FredGoodhue Coolidge

    The remainders should move to Canada, like the Tories did after the American Revolution. Both groups are against independence for their countries.

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    • September 3, 2019, at 5:29 PM PST
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  4. EJHill Podcaster

    The longer this drags out all I can think is, “What a waste Theresa May’s premiership was.”

    • #4
    • September 3, 2019, at 6:15 PM PST
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  5. Taras Coolidge

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    The remainders should move to Canada, like the Tories did after the American Revolution. Both groups are against independence for their countries.

    Rather, the Remainers should move to the Continent. So they can go on Remaining to their hearts’ content.

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    • September 4, 2019, at 1:09 AM PST
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  6. Valiuth Member

    EJHill (View Comment):

    The longer this drags out all I can think is, “What a waste Theresa May’s premiership was.”

    If they would have voted for her deal (the Tories that is) they would already be further out of the EU now than they are. But, they didn’t because it wasn’t the magical thing they were hoping for when they decided on Brexit. The funny thing is now they have talked themselves up for No-Deal as the magical solution to their angst and if they ever get it that too will prove less than satisfactory. Going to show you that Oscar Wild was right, the most disappointing thing in life is not getting what you want and the second most disappointing thing is getting it. 

     

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    • September 4, 2019, at 6:40 AM PST
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  7. colleenb Member

    @Snitler: Can you explain ‘removing the whip’ a bit? I think I understand it but its definitely a British Parliament thing.

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    • September 4, 2019, at 8:39 AM PST
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  8. Snirtler Member

    colleenb (View Comment):

    @Snitler: Can you explain ‘removing the whip’ a bit? I think I understand it but its definitely a British Parliament thing.

    @colleenb

    “Removing the whip” is jargon for being removed from a political party’s approved candidates list. That means the 20 or so Tory politicians last night who voted against the government and their own party cease to be eligible for nomination as official Conservative candidates in the next election.

    Political party systems differ in the degree to which party organizations control nominations of politicians seeking office. Some like the US are more candidate-centered. Parties have some influence over nominations, but the US primary system gives politicians the room to make appeals to voters based on their personal qualities and positions. In more party-centered systems like the UK, politicians have a greater incentive to toe the party line, because the party has more control over the opportunity to run for office. The ability to “remove the whip” is an instrument of party control over its office-seeking members.

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    • September 4, 2019, at 10:11 AM PST
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  9. colleenb Member

    @Snitler: I thought that was what it meant but appreciate a fuller explanation. Definitely more party control in the parliamentary system than ours but it will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. Hope Toby and James do a follow up soon as things are happening fast.

    • #9
    • September 4, 2019, at 11:37 AM PST
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  10. Taras Coolidge

    Snirtler (View Comment):

    colleenb (View Comment):

    @Snitler: Can you explain ‘removing the whip’ a bit? I think I understand it but its definitely a British Parliament thing.

    @colleenb

    “Removing the whip” is jargon for being removed from a political party’s approved candidates list. That means the 20 or so Tory politicians last night who voted against the government and their own party cease to be eligible for nomination as official Conservative candidates in the next election.

    Political party systems differ in the degree to which party organizations control nominations of politicians seeking office. Some like the US are more candidate-centered. Parties have some influence over nominations, but the US primary system gives politicians the room to make appeals to voters based on their personal qualities and positions. In more party-centered systems like the UK, politicians have a greater incentive to toe the party line, because the party has more control over the opportunity to run for office. The ability to “remove the whip” is an instrument of party control over its office-seeking members.

     This helps explain how the U.S. could reject the metric system, while it was shoved down the throats of the public in most other countries. And why we still have some residual right to bear arms. Congressmen listen to their constituencies before they listen to their party. 

    In the United States, the chief organ of elite rule is the Supreme Court, which is almost completely insulated from input by the public .* This means they can enact elite projects (like abortion or racial quotas or mainstreaming atypical sexuality), but only if these can be construed as the granting of “rights”. So far, they haven’t figured out a way to make the metric system or gun control a “right” – but wait until the next time the Democrats are in charge. 

    *As long as at least one-third of the Senate is ready to vote for acquittal in an impeachment trial.

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    • September 4, 2019, at 12:52 PM PST
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  11. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    I love your podcasts always filled with a twist of good humor and common sense. We on the political right are doomed if Brexit doesn’t succeed.

    • #11
    • September 4, 2019, at 2:33 PM PST
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  12. EtCarter Listener

    Would you please have, Mr. Tombs, as a historian, on the U.K.s Most Trusted Podcast?

    Thank you. His articles “as a historian” eliminate the crosseyed granularity the Parliamentary obstructionist keep kicking in the citizen eyes.

    • #12
    • September 4, 2019, at 6:30 PM PST
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  13. EtCarter Listener

    “Salted slugs”.

    Brilliant analysis! (Not being sarcastic. That was a clever one.)

    • #13
    • September 4, 2019, at 7:10 PM PST
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  14. EJHill Podcaster

    If you have any questions for our pair of Gentlemen Podcasters, please drop questions into this post:

    London Really IS Calling

    • #14
    • September 7, 2019, at 8:03 PM PST
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