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  1. RyanM Member
    RyanM
    @RyanM

    Dangit!  Some of us DO NOT WATCH Game of Thrones, and haven’t even the slightest desire to hear people talk about it!

    But I love listening to James and Toby talk about real-world things, like … you know … POLITICS!

    Knock it off with these crappy episodes!  ;)

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  2. Samizdat Inactive
    Samizdat
    @Samizdat

    Why Tyrion Is Likely A Targaryen

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  3. Lily Bart Inactive
    Lily Bart
    @LilyBart

    I love it when these two talk about current events and politically correct silliness.    This episode is for “Thrones” watchers only.

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  4. Damocles Inactive
    Damocles
    @Damocles

    When talking GoT it’s ok not to bleep the naughty bits.

    Although it is funny that “****” gets bleeped but “bugger off” doesn’t!

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  5. T Inactive
    T
    @T

    Damocles:When talking GoT it’s ok not to bleep the naughty bits.

    Although it is funny that “****” gets bleeped but “bugger off” doesn’t!

    We’re Americans, we don’t know what “bugger off” means and since we don’t know what it means then why bleep it? [Note: I do, or at least I have a pretty good idea.]

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  6. T Inactive
    T
    @T

    RyanM:Dangit! Some of us DO NOT WATCH Game of Thrones, and haven’t even the slightest desire to hear people talk about it!

    But I love listening to James and Toby talk about real-world things, like … you know … POLITICS!

    Knock it off with these crappy episodes! ;)

    I watch GoT and I get your point but I hope they keep this up.

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  7. Lidens Cheng Member
    Lidens Cheng
    @LidensCheng

    All the convoluted theories, fans have way too much time on their hands.

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  8. Mister D Member
    Mister D
    @MisterD

    I don’t want to be one of “those guys”, but I guess I must.

    1. You assume all these developments are from the show runners. While Martin hasn’t published his books yet, he has told them how events play out, so I imagine most (like Roose Bolton’s death) happen in the next novel.
    2. Houlin (?) Reed is from the books. Martin named him. I understand not knowing that he’s the father of the teens that helped Bran get to the Exorcist, but if you are going to mock people, try to make sure you know what you’re talking about.
    3. Jon Snow didn’t end his watch for no reason. We have been told, again and again, since season 1 that one’s watch lasts until death, which is why at every crow’s death they say “and now his watch is ended.” Remember last season, when Stannis tried recruiting Snow to retake the north and reestablish Stark rule? Jon refused because of his oath. But since then he died, and his watch ended. Now he is free to unleash holy whoop ass on Ramsey.
    4. While Rikkon was never a major character, he tagged along with Bron for his adventures through the end of the third season. Osha (the woman) was a significant figure in those seasons.
    5. I get being annoyed with the flashbacks and dream sequences. I get that. But this probably has a purpose – to show Jon Snow’s true parentage.
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  9. RyanM Member
    RyanM
    @RyanM

    T:

    RyanM:Dangit! Some of us DO NOT WATCH Game of Thrones, and haven’t even the slightest desire to hear people talk about it!

    But I love listening to James and Toby talk about real-world things, like … you know … POLITICS!

    Knock it off with these crappy episodes! ;)

    I watch GoT and I get your point but I hope they keep this up.

    It irritates the heck out of me. I get all excited for a new episode and its water cooler talk about a show I’ll never watch. Obviously I can choose to not listen, so its not a complaint so much as a disappointed reaction…  and this is an official podcast (ahem, ahem…)

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  10. Lily Bart Inactive
    Lily Bart
    @LilyBart

    Lidens Cheng:All the convoluted theories, fans have way too much time on their hands.

    Its a hobby.  Keeps ’em off the streets.

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  11. The Crooked Timber Member
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    I don’t think the gentlemen are watching the same season that I am! I feel like, now that the show is unbound by the prolonged exposition and tedious contemplations of the novels, each episode of the new season is wasting little time and flowing much better than the previous season. As far as major plot developments, each episode has been of great importance and is steering diverse narratives towards an unified climax. We’ve spent years on character development with diffused plot development throughout, now they’re catching up. If anything, I’m more concerned that they’re rushing the current pacing, not dragging it out unnecessarily.

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  12. Tom Meyer, Ed. Contributor
    Tom Meyer, Ed.
    @tommeyer

    Mister D:I don’t want to be one of “those guys”, but…

    Nor do I but, but guys, in addition to those Mister D covered, you also got wrong when the Red Wedding happened: the Rains of Castamere was the final scene of the penultimate episode of Season 3, not a mid-season surprise.

    Also, Howland Reed was mentioned on the show back in Season Three when we met Jojen and Meera.

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  13. Tom Meyer, Ed. Contributor
    Tom Meyer, Ed.
    @tommeyer

    In fairness to James and Toby, though, the show has really botched the backstory on Robert’s Rebellion: Too few breadcrumbs, too widely spaced apart. I doubt many show-only watchers know who Rhaegar was or even recalled that Ned and Benjen had a sister or an older brother (who was oddly missing from the previous flashback).

    Honestly, the lack of set-up makes the Tower of Joy scene nearly incomprehensible if you’re not familiar with the books.

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  14. Tom Meyer, Ed. Contributor
    Tom Meyer, Ed.
    @tommeyer

    Gentlemen, if you need a guest nerd who’s read the books and is fairly well versed in it, I hearby volunteer.

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  15. Tom Meyer, Ed. Contributor
    Tom Meyer, Ed.
    @tommeyer

    Samizdat:Why Tyrion Is Likely A Targaryen

    Yeah, I’ve never been down with that. The evidence for it is suggestive, but — narrative — it doesn’t make any sense.

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  16. Lidens Cheng Member
    Lidens Cheng
    @LidensCheng

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Samizdat:Why Tyrion Is Likely A Targaryen

    Yeah, I’ve never been down with that. The evidence for it is suggestive, but — narrative — it doesn’t make any sense.

    I cannot handle that theory. It totally misses everything GRRM and the show established about the relationship between Tyrion and Tywin.

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  17. Tom Meyer, Ed. Contributor
    Tom Meyer, Ed.
    @tommeyer

    Lidens Cheng:

    I cannot handle that theory. It totally misses everything GRRM and the show established about the relationship between Tyrion and Tywin.

    Second.

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  18. Mister D Member
    Mister D
    @MisterD

    Lidens Cheng:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Samizdat:Why Tyrion Is Likely A Targaryen

    Yeah, I’ve never been down with that. The evidence for it is suggestive, but — narrative — it doesn’t make any sense.

    I cannot handle that theory. It totally misses everything GRRM and the show established about the relationship between Tyrion and Tywin.

    Meh. It is an era without knowledge of genetics or even blood tests. There’s no way for Tywin to know Tyrion is a bastard. The relationship still exists, one way or another.

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  19. Mister D Member
    Mister D
    @MisterD

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Mister D:I don’t want to be one of “those guys”, but…

    Nor do I but, but guys, in addition to those Mister D covered, you also got wrong when the Red Wedding happened: the Rains of Castamere was the final scene of the penultimate episode of Season 3, not a mid-season surprise.

    Also, Howland Reed was mentioned on the show back in Season Three when we met Jojen and Meera.

    I get that not everyone knows every detail. I co-host a GoT podcast, and only one of us (not me) has read the books. But I do my homework, so I catch a lot of these references. If I don’t get it during the show, I get it after.

    That said, I’m fine with the boys watching it the way 90% of the audience does. What irks me is them simply assuming that everything that happens this season that they don’t like is because they are deviating from Martin and trying to ruin all the good things GRR wrote.  If you don’t actually know what’s going on offscreen, stick to what’s on it.

    Last thing – Arya gets smacked when she is caught in a lie. They are training her to be a better liar.

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