Delingpole Hears a WHO

After lamenting about the rising and eye-watering expense of summer holidays, James and Toby take off the gloves and duke it out over two red-hot topics: First up, Putin’s muted reaction to the prospect of Finland and Sweden joining NATO and whether or not that gives the lie to the claim that Putin was ‘provoked’ into attacking Ukraine. Secondly, the imminent World Health Organization treaty that James thinks will transfer decision-making power from national parliaments to Bill Gates and the bevy of unelected international bureaucrats if (or when) there’s another pandemic.

We also cover “transrights ninjas” and the extension of the terms of reference of the official UK Covid inquiry to include vaccine harms.

In Culture Corner, the rehabilitation of Red Dawn, whether we’re going to see Top Gun: Maverick, Severance (AppleTV), which Toby gives one-and-a-half thumbs up, and Slow Horses, which James and Toby think is the best thing they’ve seen on telly in years.

This week’s opening sound is Dr. Tony Hinton talking about The WHO Pandemic Treaty on Neil Oliver Live on GBNews.

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  1. Leslie Watkins Member
    Leslie Watkins
    @LeslieWatkins

    15 minutes in, and I’m done. I can no longer listen to James act as if Toby/we should believe any and all of his absent-evidence declarations (and I’m totally willing to consider the possibility that there is something genuinely sinister about the Great Reset) while also asserting that he knows which humans are worth something and which are not. Personally, I don’t like being slapped.

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  2. DavidPaterson Coolidge
    DavidPaterson
    @DavidPaterson

    By now I seriously doubt whether this once thoroughly entertaining podcast can survive.  James has shifted from being a good natured curmudgeon to a crude, angry, insulting conspiracist.

    Toby gave James plenty of space to explain his gnostic conspiracy theories about the Ukrainian war, and he flat out refused to take the opportunity.  He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    His insults and dismissive attitude is increasingly terminal.

    It feels like the show is in a death spiral.

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  3. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    DavidPaterson: He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    We allow very few minutes per subject and James feels that he cannot do his views justice in the time allotted. If you are interested, the episode of the Delingpod James references is here.

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    EJHill (View Comment):

    DavidPaterson: He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    We allow very few minutes per subject and James feels that he cannot do his views justice in the time allotted. If you are interested, the episode of the Delingpod James references is here.

    I’m looking forward to that episode. London Calling gets bumped up in my queue when it comes out so I haven’t listened yet. Martyr Made had a good look at NATO expansion as well. Putin’s the aggressor with Ukraine but NATO’s hands aren’t entirely clean.

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  5. Leslie Watkins Member
    Leslie Watkins
    @LeslieWatkins

    EJHill (View Comment):

    DavidPaterson: He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    We allow very few minutes per subject and James feels that he cannot do his views justice in the time allotted. If you are interested, the episode of the Delingpod James references is here.

    I listen to the Delingpod all the time (including the linked episode). But I still don’t know why he’s so sure he’s right and everyone else is wrong. There’s never any evidence given, just assertions that it’s all to be found in the rabbit hole. I get this way too much from the Left to put up with it from someone on the Right. I don’t mind his change of heart—however hard it is for James even to try to define it—but his haughty disdain is quite deflating to this once-diehard fan.

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  6. Matt Bartle Member
    Matt Bartle
    @MattBartle

    #TeamToby

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  7. DavidPaterson Coolidge
    DavidPaterson
    @DavidPaterson

    EJHill (View Comment):

    DavidPaterson: He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    We allow very few minutes per subject and James feels that he cannot do his views justice in the time allotted. If you are interested, the episode of the Delingpod James references is here.

    At the risk of tiresome repetition, this is a podcast the premise of which is robust debate between two friends on issues of the day.  That is what all listeners, be they from Team Toby or Team James, are after.  James holds some intriguing positions on important issues.  He should explain himself.  He is professional communicator.  He is capable of distilling complex ideas into digestible bon mots!

    His reluctance to take up Toby’s invitations to explain increasingly looks like cowardice.

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  8. Leslie Watkins Member
    Leslie Watkins
    @LeslieWatkins

    DavidPaterson (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    DavidPaterson: He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    We allow very few minutes per subject and James feels that he cannot do his views justice in the time allotted. If you are interested, the episode of the Delingpod James references is here.

    At the risk of tiresome repetition, this is a podcast the premise of which is robust debate between two friends on issues of the day. That is what all listeners, be they from Team Toby or Team James, are after. James holds some intriguing positions on important issues. He should explain himself. He is professional communicator. He is capable of distilling complex ideas into digestible bon mots!

    His reluctance to take up Toby’s invitations to explain increasingly looks like cowardice.

    And/or cognitive dissonance. … Just to be clear, I’m grousing as a fan who’d rather not feel the need to be a critic.

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  9. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte
    @Charlotte

    James’s shtick has become equal parts boorish, evasive, and dull. Sorry guys, I’ve enjoyed the show for years but there are only so many podcast-listening hours in the day. Many thanks for the hundreds of hours of entertainment (and to EJ for his professional technical contributions) but it’s time to take a break from this one. Adios.

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  10. DavidPaterson Coolidge
    DavidPaterson
    @DavidPaterson

    I would like to see Toby find a new and more engaged partner to do the podcast.  Possibly somebody from a left wing perspective.  The new podcast “The Rest is Politics” with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart is a good proof that the format can work.  Different perspectives, good will and entertaining repartee.  Toby is a real talent, he prepares thoroughly for the podcast and it would be great to see what would happen if he worked with someone similarly disposed.

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  11. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    DavidPaterson: He seems to think we should all listen to his other podcast or else he will no deign to explain in simple terms why he holds the views he holds.

    We allow very few minutes per subject and James feels that he cannot do his views justice in the time allotted. If you are interested, the episode of the Delingpod James references is here.

    I listen to the Delingpod all the time (including the linked episode). But I still don’t know why he’s so sure he’s right and everyone else is wrong. There’s never any evidence given, just assertions that it’s all to be found in the rabbit hole. I get this way too much from the Left to put up with it from someone on the Right. I don’t mind his change of heart—however hard it is for James even to try to define it—but his haughty disdain is quite deflating to this once-diehard fan.

    Let me essay a properly Delingpolean explanation of — James Delingpole.

    Obviously, he is highly paid by the Vast Conspiracy to make all theories about the Vast Conspiracy seem cracked and absurd.

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  12. BEN le fleming Coolidge
    BEN le fleming
    @BenleFleming

    I’ve just joined the community here after listening to the thoroughly entertaining LC podcast for a couple of years now.

    I don’t consider myself an intellectual by any means, but I enjoy listening to opposing viewpoints (despite feeling jolly annoyed sometimes), because they challenge me to think from both angles. I suppose I like not taking myself down the Team Toby or Team James route because it then becomes easy to let the personality take over rather than the ideas.

    Regarding the Mummy and Daddy spat theme, I have been there and come out with the divorce ticket. But their disputes sometimes feel more like a teenage argument that defaults to the personal attack when the going gets a bit tough, certainly from James’s side. It’s a classic way to claim the victim hat, and all it does is isolate that individual from the idea that they have any power at all. They subconsciously admit defeat and hand their power over to the ‘opposition’. I would love to listen carefully to what James has to say because he has a far bigger brian than me, but he seems to descend into that victim rabbit hole too often and spends too much time bitching about Toby’s character.

    The banter is often excellent, and it reminds me of special friends who have very opposing viewpoints to me, but they are friends because they challenge me, and that is the source of individual growth. Like all banter, it can flip very quickly and often reflects that feeling of powerlessness (i.e. lack of self-belief) when it goes the personal way, so I hope that James takes a bit of a breath now and then and tunes in to where that fine line exists.

    At 50 years old, I recognise that I still find myself triggered to the teenag’ery state because it is much less challenging to default to the confirmation bias angle rather than face my ego.

    It’s always good to take a look at ourselves, and as Albert Einstein said:

    ‘Never stop questioning; curiosity has its own reason for existing.’

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