What Women Want: Self-Reliant, Capable Men

Bethany and Lyndsey lay out some of the basic facts of life—and it gets really awkward and or awesome

Plus, the episode of That Sethany Show that Lyndsey found so funny: Be Fruitful and Multiply.

And, come on, this satire, right? Seven Signs That Your Man’s Masculinity Is Nontoxic.

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  1. Barry Jones Thatcher

    Along the same lines as the first part of the podcast, read “The Pussification of the American Male” (sometimes also found with Western substituted for American) by Kim du Toit. He wrote it in the early part of the 2000s and, while a little outrageous and not in the least PC, makes similar observations. Kim shut down his blog but the essay is available on other sites…

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    • May 30, 2018, at 8:46 AM PDT
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  2. Lazy_Millennial Member

    The New Yorker piece was satire. I refuse to believe otherwise. 

    That “what women want” is NOT “what women say they want,” was possibly the only redeeming insight of the “pick-up-artist community.” Telling dudes struggling to get dates to watch what women are attracted to and emulate that, rather than listening to women say what they want and emulating that, helped a LOT of guys. The rest was either basic “get fit and get confident” advice, bad pseudopsychology, or blatant misogyny. 

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    • May 31, 2018, at 8:09 AM PDT
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  3. Duane Oyen Member
    Duane Oyen Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I will take a slightly modified position here. Any young woman who rejects a decent guy, then says “Try again! We just want to be pursued!” is out of her mind. Build your egos another way that is less destructive.

    In a world where the alpha males (usually AKA “predatory jerks”) attract the ladies, the beta males, often the nicest and best candidates for actual, you know, relationships, are put down because they are too polite and ego-bruised from rejection or simply not cut out for rejection (this is me here- I am simply not confident enough to wave away rejection on any front, female or otherwise, now thankfully blessed with a good wife who had already suffered enough at the hands of the alphas and could thus see benefits in a beta male) regardless of their other positive qualities (including remodeling the house using power tools).

    If you want good guys, stop rejecting them as a female attraction test game. The best guys may well simply go away and look for women who are not game-players; I know a bunch of girls I left behind 40 years ago.

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    • June 6, 2018, at 1:24 PM PDT
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  4. Stad Thatcher

    Okay, it took me two weeks to get around to listening to this podcast.

    Playing hard to get is a standard ploy used by women for self-protection. Guys who give up too easily are either 1) after one thing only (no need to point out what it is), 2) not confident in their masculinity, or 3) more likely to give up when the going gets tough (which would be terrible in a marriage). Of course, you probably already know this.

    Keep up the good work, ladies!

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    • June 14, 2018, at 10:15 AM PDT
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  5. Duane Oyen Member
    Duane Oyen Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Stad (View Comment):

    Okay, it took me two weeks to get around to listening to this podcast.

    Playing hard to get is a standard ploy used by women for self-protection. Guys who give up too easily are either 1) after one thing only (no need to point out what it is), 2) not confident in their masculinity, or 3) more likely to give up when the going gets tough (which would be terrible in a marriage). Of course, you probably already know this.

    Keep up the good work, ladies!

    Nonsense. The myth that women are encouraged to play hard-to-get, with the worth and value of a male exclusively derived from his eagerness to go back and get pummeled again and again until she feels merciful is the same self-absorbed bovine waste that has been fed to alleged feminists for 50 years.

    The fact is, there are different personalities and types in this world. The aggressive males who will go back to be slimmed again just to stoke a feminine ego are actually the males from whom they most often need to defend themselves. 

    If you wish to join the lemmings in all yearning for the same chest-pounding leader-of-the-pack alpha male, feel free. It usually does not end any better than for guys to all chase the prom queen. I’d far rather talk to a female who is straightforward and honest than a gamer- and those who reject decent guys because they are playing hard-to-get are gamers.

     

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    • June 17, 2018, at 12:38 PM PDT
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  6. Stad Thatcher

    Duane Oyen (View Comment):
    I’d far rather talk to a female who is straightforward and honest than a gamer- and those who reject decent guys because they are playing hard-to-get are gamers.

    Some women might be playing a game, but I believe there is an innate quality about the courtship ritual in humans where women do not automatically accept a guy the first time they interact with each other. Likewise, guys can play a game too.

    What is ultimately desired by both (non-gaming) parties is an honest exchange of information and evaluation to determine if there is a long range relationship worth pursuing. Part of the dating ritual is to determine if any game-playing is going on.

    As for the societal aspects of dating, I don’t consider that gaming, a non-innate set of standards (if you will) that can evolve as society changes. Thank goodness I didn’t have to present my future wife with the head of a saber-tooth tiger as proof of my honest intentions . . .

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    • June 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM PDT
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  7. TomShaw Inactive

    Thanks for this episode, ladies.

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    • August 11, 2018, at 11:39 AM PDT
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