Should You Conceal Carry?

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  1. Michael C. Lukehart Thatcher
    Michael C. Lukehart

    Maybe I missed it, but during this hour of discussion did anyone actually use the word “freedom?”

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  2. Barry Jones Thatcher
    Barry Jones

    Several points in no particular order –

    A pig buried in a fire pit is called a pit roasted bbq here is GA and works just fine for any kind of pork on the hoof. Also, the DA makes the decision on filing charges…if you ever have to use a firearm remember that every bullet that leaves the end of the barrel has a lawyer attached to it and when the police arrive demand that they arrest the person you shot, regardless of their condition. That will become a part of the record and indicates you felt that you were acting in good faith at that time. I carry every where I can legally carry and my rule of thumb is gun stays where is it until it looks like someone is going to get hurt. Insurance takes care of property pretty well. My Carry permit did NOT come with a superman cape or a badge so I will not use a firearm to stop a shop lifter. On the other hand it would have been pretty useful if I had been in that bank in FL this week…

    Also, off body carry is not generally a good idea. Very few, if any recommend it. On the other hand mace or pepper spray is a great idea and one that i wholeheartedly endorse and use. I am not a professional on carry or firearms just a practitioner.

    And just for general input – if you remove the work “gun” from the phrase “gun violence” you still have “violence” and that is the main issue, not firearms. I am loath to address the issue of “common sense gun laws” because there are very few that I have seen. The gun is what has allowed civilization to advance. Up until the invention of the gun, everyone was at the mercy of the bigger and stronger (murder rates in the middle ages made Chicago look like like a convent). Firearms enable the small and the weak to defend themselves and not have to depend on someone else. There is more, but that would be for later. At the risk of endorsing something, if you intend to own a firearm, subscribe to Andrew Branca’s work “The Law of Self Defense”. it is readable and useful.

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  3. Michael C. Lukehart Thatcher
    Michael C. Lukehart

    @barryjones:  Pretty much agree with everything you said.  As an attorney in California, I would never use my firearm unless I or someone I loved very much was in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death.  I am a bit ashamed to admit that, if the situation involved anyone other than myself or loved ones, I would be very hesitant to intervene and buy the lifetime of opprobrium & litigation grief that would inevitably rain down upon my head.  (Also, I would probably lose the firearm to the investigation; good luck getting an expensive pistol back under those circumstances.)  As to whether or not I am carrying at any particular time, that is nobody’s business but mine.

    I am also disturbed by the repeated incantation “common sense gun laws.”  Code words for diminishing my freedom in order to make some people feel good.  Usually these “common sense gun laws” are rules that the enforcers can enforce from their offices or at fixed sites where law-abiding citizens hang out (such as gun stores or registered residences), without doing the hard and dirty work of actually going out in the real world to find dangerous firearm criminals.  How much easier it is to go out and confiscate guns from people with permits that were not renewed on time, rather than going into dangerous neighborhoods and tracking down the recipients of straw-buyer arrangements.  One also gets the feeling that “common sense gun laws” are also designed to de-status gun buyers and owners in order to enhance the relative status of those self-styled moral paragons who propose such things.

    The way I look at it is rather simple.  The First Amendment to the Constitution describes the absolute minimum freedoms we want to protect.  The Second Amendment tells us how to protect them.

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  4. Lyndsey Fifield Contributor
    Lyndsey Fifield

    Michael C. Lukehart (View Comment):

    Maybe I missed it, but during this hour of discussion did anyone actually use the word “freedom?”

    Um… yes. About five times.

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  5. Michael C. Lukehart Thatcher
    Michael C. Lukehart

    @lyndsey: My bad.  Must have lost ’em in all the common sense.

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  6. Wade Moore Member
    Wade Moore

    In Cook County they confiscate guns of people with FOID cards that have been revoked.  I don’t think they go after expired cards…yet.  

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  7. LisaEastKy Inactive

    Really enjoyed this conversation, ladies! I don’t have a conceal carry, but I’ve often wondered if I should? Thanks for all the “dumb” questions, Lydnsey! I didn’t know any of that stuff, either, and now I do; one reason I like this podcast so much is that I almost always learn something! 

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  8. Joshua Bissey Inactive
    Joshua Bissey

    I’m always glad to see more conservative talkers take on gun issues, and carry issues. A decade or so ago, guns weren’t such a mainstream topic, so we didn’t even hear about it from conservative sources.

    I definitely share your frustration about the ignorance displayed by anti-gun politicians. I also hear a lot of well-meaning mythology from our own side.

    While I don’t know the details of Illinois carry laws, I believe you are incorrect about the requirement to keep the gun and ammo separate. I was keeping at least half an eye on the formation of the carry law in Illinois, and I’m pretty sure I’d remember if something like that had been part of it. It would be an unheard-of requirement for a carry permit. You may be thinking of the previous carry regime, in California, that allowed residents to carry unloaded firearms, if they could not obtain a carry permit. (This practice was banned a few years ago.)

    I also think I would have heard about the Las Vegas mass murderer buying decommissioned military weapons. Perhaps the commenter was talking about another incident?

    There’s also some misinformation here on open carry. Far from being legal in only a few, outlier states, as the podcast suggests; open carry is typically less-heavily regulated than concealed carry. In many states, it’s simply never been outlawed, and does not require any permit.

    I could also comment on the idea that cutting the barrel on a rifle makes it a sawed-off shotgun, but I will chalk that up to a slip of the tongue. I could choose to take offense at the term “ammosexual,” because I think it is usually meant as a pejorative, but then maybe I’m wrong about that one.

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  9. JenInAL Coolidge

    @lyndsey You mentioned that IL didn’t have reciprocity with other states, but that is only half true. IL will not honor CCW permits from any other state, but many other states will honor a valid permit from IL.  I live in the great state of Alabama, and Alabama will recognize valid permits from all 50 states, DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands. This is the map of the states that will honor IL permits – that website has maps for all states and summarizes the CCW laws in each state, as well.

    Fun fact – Alabama’s constitution has an amendment guaranteeing the rights to hunt and fish in Alabama.

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  10. Unwoke Caveman Lawyer Inactive
    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer

    Did I just hear them say (c. 44 minutes) that open carry is not allowed in most states?

    Open Carry by State

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  11. Unwoke Caveman Lawyer Inactive
    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer

    Ha ha I just got to the end, where they give the advice about whether to leave a comment at all (“maybe skip it”).

    Hey, I’m not being a jerk, I’m just saying!

    If it doesn’t go without saying, overall I love the podcast, I love you guys—otherwise why would I be listening in the first place, right?

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  12. Joshua Bissey Inactive
    Joshua Bissey

    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer (View Comment):
    Did I just hear them say (c. 44 minutes) that open carry is not allowed in most states?

    Yes. Yes you did.

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