Unconventional

The Conservatarians (aka, Ricochet Editor-in-Chief Jon Gabriel and Heatstreet’s Stephen Miller) talk with Robert A. George of the New York Daily News about Trump’s VP choice, Black Lives Matter, and the joys of improv comedy. We also process breaking news about Nice, predict convention speakers, and wonder why Obama refuses to rise to the occasion.

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  1. Quake Voter Inactive
    Quake Voter
    @QuakeVoter

    Worst installment of a great revamped podcast team.

    “Cops are d@#ks” (related by Stephen with no Chandler argot irony).

    Black Americans are, by turns, victims, victims, victims and victims.  A people apparently with no capacity for personal agency (a racism of no expectations).

    Okay, I admit to tuning in for the other Robert George, as Robert A. is really Jason Riley without the genius and intellectual guts.  I was ready to be disappointed.

    However, the “hey slugger” interview has less edge than Terry Gross interviewing Lena Dunham.

    We get a complete whitewash of Black Lives Matter, blank statements that institutional racial oppression is evident to anyone not willfully blind, and cherry picking of relevant crime stats that would embarrass Barack Obama.

    Do we really need the metroposh factlessness at Ricochet (and The Federalist)?

    I admit to adopting the full Mac Donald perspective perhaps too readily.  Could really benefit from someone who confronts the ugly truths of murder, attempted murder and grievous assault rates in black neighborhoods without easy victimology, cop bashing and national conversation mongering and provides a less authoritarian game plan.

    Not this episode.

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  2. Jon Gabriel, Ed. Contributor
    Jon Gabriel, Ed.
    @jon

    Quake Voter:Worst installment of a great revamped podcast team.

    “Cops are d@#ks” (related by Stephen with no Chandler argot irony).

    Black Americans are, by turns, victims, victims, victims and victims. A people apparently with no capacity for personal agency (a racism of no expectations).

    Okay, I admit to tuning in for the other Robert George, as Robert A. is really Jason Riley without the genius and intellectual guts. I was ready to be disappointed.

    However, the “hey slugger” interview has less edge than Terry Gross interviewing Lena Dunham.

    We get a complete whitewash of Black Lives Matter, blank statements that institutional racial oppression is evident to anyone not willfully blind, and cherry picking of relevant crime stats that would embarrass Barack Obama.

    Do we really need the metroposh factlessness at Ricochet (and The Federalist)?

    I admit to adopting the full Mac Donald perspective perhaps too readily. Could really benefit from someone who confronts the ugly truths of murder, attempted murder and grievous assault rates in black neighborhoods without easy victimology, cop bashing and national conversation mongering and provides a less authoritarian game plan.

    Not this episode.

    But aside from that, it was pretty good, right?

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  3. Sal Reagan
    Sal
    @Sal

    Naive.

    BLM is not interested in responsible criticism. It is kept alive solely to motivate black turnout at the polls. Getting the Dems elected is all that matters to them, no matter how many people of all colors get killed.

    It’s just like the Economist hoping Hillary will be more careful with state secrets next time.

    One despairs that people who should know better don’t.

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  4. Ario IronStar Inactive
    Ario IronStar
    @ArioIronStar

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Quake Voter:Worst installment of a great revamped podcast team.

    “Cops are d@#ks” (related by Stephen with no Chandler argot irony).

    Black Americans are, by turns, victims, victims, victims and victims. A people apparently with no capacity for personal agency (a racism of no expectations).

    Okay, I admit to tuning in for the other Robert George, as Robert A. is really Jason Riley without the genius and intellectual guts. I was ready to be disappointed.

    However, the “hey slugger” interview has less edge than Terry Gross interviewing Lena Dunham.

    We get a complete whitewash of Black Lives Matter, blank statements that institutional racial oppression is evident to anyone not willfully blind, and cherry picking of relevant crime stats that would embarrass Barack Obama.

    Do we really need the metroposh factlessness at Ricochet (and The Federalist)?

    I admit to adopting the full Mac Donald perspective perhaps too readily. Could really benefit from someone who confronts the ugly truths of murder, attempted murder and grievous assault rates in black neighborhoods without easy victimology, cop bashing and national conversation mongering and provides a less authoritarian game plan.

    Not this episode.

    But aside from that, it was pretty good, right?

    Any substantive take on the above criticism, Jon?

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  5. Quake Voter Inactive
    Quake Voter
    @QuakeVoter

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    But aside from that, it was pretty good, right?

    Well, the PiL bookends were beautiful.  You even eschewed the more obvious wrong/right black/white clip!
    I think you guys have the right chemistry (no AM radio vibe), and the fault line between the conservative and libertarian wings of your portmanteau to explore.

    Just feel you didn’t explore that conflict, which is really the flywheel of conservatarianism, with Robert A.

    But it jumpstarted my return to Ricochet after five months.

    And anger is an energy, innit?

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  6. Jon Gabriel, Ed. Contributor
    Jon Gabriel, Ed.
    @jon

    Quake Voter:

    Black Americans are, by turns, victims, victims, victims and victims. A people apparently with no capacity for personal agency (a racism of no expectations).

    I relistened to the podcast and didn’t get that at all. Police are more prone to stop African Americans in upscale white neighborhoods. Even a sitting US Senator is routinely stopped because his car is “too nice.” Unclear how that strips Tim Scott of personal agency.

    However, the “hey slugger” interview has less edge than Terry Gross interviewing Lena Dunham.

    Unfamiliar with the “hey slugger” reference, but I’m more interested in letting a guest share his opinion, rather than grilling him. I’m not a “60 Minutes” style interviewer; not my personality or nature.

    We get a complete whitewash of Black Lives Matter, blank statements that institutional racial oppression is evident to anyone not willfully blind, and cherry picking of relevant crime stats that would embarrass Barack Obama.

    Do we really need the metroposh factlessness at Ricochet (and The Federalist)?

    What facts mentioned were incorrect?

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  7. Ario IronStar Inactive
    Ario IronStar
    @ArioIronStar

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Quake Voter:

    However, the “hey slugger” interview has less edge than Terry Gross interviewing Lena Dunham.

    Unfamiliar with the “hey slugger” reference, but I’m more interested in letting a guest share his opinion, rather than grilling him. I’m not a “60 Minutes” style interviewer; not my personality or nature.

    We get a complete whitewash of Black Lives Matter, blank statements that institutional racial oppression is evident to anyone not willfully blind, and cherry picking of relevant crime stats that would embarrass Barack Obama.

    Do we really need the metroposh factlessness at Ricochet (and The Federalist)?

    What facts mentioned were incorrect?

    Thanks for the response, Jon.

    As to which facts were incorrect, I nearly spit out my coffee when Mr. George stated that certain elements at the BLM events were like the occasional Yahoo at a tea party rally and shouldn’t be held against the movement or it’s organizers.

    I’m sorry, but the mass of a BLM protest marching and chanting, “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!” is absolutely nothing like fringies at a tea party event.  Typically, fringies at a tea party event turned out to be liberal plants.  The leaders of the BLM movement are thick with the above and are often heard condoning it.  Not even questioning him on it was weak, to be polite.

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  8. Chris Campion Coolidge
    Chris Campion
    @ChrisCampion

    Great podcast.  Keep going.

    There was a comment about Obama’s plans, generally, and that it’s a “divide and conquer” strategy.  I think that’s true, but the only thing conquered are votes, meaning it’s a means to power, not a strategy to “win” anything, other than increase the size of govt and spending.

    And that’s what he wants.  He wants govt to be one big wealth transfer device (which it is already), and increase the rate at which anyone who works for a living has to pay for the half of the country that chooses not to.

    It’s insane that this clown got voted in twice.  It does not say good things about us.  We’re now going to beat those two lows in presidential elections by electing either Hillary or Donald.

    It’s quite possible we’re in decline.  Just sayin’.

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  9. Geoff Member
    Geoff
    @

    Since getting my membership, I’ve been re-listening to The Conservatarians and the production is magnificent. Kudos for going nose in to some turbulent air. I eschewed Liberal Ideology because of their abject denial and censorship of uncomfortable ideas and refusal of truth solely because of  the source. Political confirmation bias and platform toe-lining is an exercise in Authoritarianism–the only thing crazier than telling time by a broken clock is ignoring the two times a day it’s right.

    I’m glad I made the right choice in Ricochet.

    This episode deserves The Prince award (not Purple Rain)

    “It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”

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