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The King of Stuff talks with professional artist, writer, and icon carver Jonathan Pageau. Jonathan explores the symbolic structures that underlie our experience of the world through his popular YouTube channel and podcast, titled The Symbolic World. We chat about his long friendship with Jordan Peterson, the failure of the angry “New Atheists,” Orthodoxy, and the renewed search for meaning and structure in our culture.
You can see Jonathan’s art on his carving website, his Patreon Art page, or you can follow him on social media. His most recent viral hit was his conversation about faith with Jordan Peterson (1.5 million views and counting). And since Jonathan offers so much of his work on YouTube, this is the first time I’m uploading a video version of the King of Stuff podcast:
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This is not only one of my favorite podcasters, but I actually go over and watch the YouTube versions. Only some of his YouTube videos make it to podcast, and some have so many visuals in them that you really need to watch on the ‘Tube.
His take on so many things is refreshing and inspirational. There are a number of folks, “in this corner of the internet,” as many who follow Jonathan would say, who are worth listening to. One YouTube I can name off the top of my head (and subscribe to) Paul Van DerKlay (PVK), John Verveke, Byrn Powers, Kale Zeldon, Mary Kochan – there are so many of them and the conversations and observations are top-notch. Several of these folks to do podcasts, and, “The Lord of Spirits” is one of the most amazing ones I have heard – and it was Pageau who turned me onto them!
Thank you @exjon for your various guests – this one proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you truly are: “The King of Stuff”
Folks! GIVE THEM A LISTEN!
Thanks so much! Out of your list, I’ve only listened to the Lord of Spirits (every episode) and Paul Vanderklay — I’ll check out the others.
John Verveke has a long (51?) series on YouTube called, “The Meaning Crisis,” that is – really well done. He has a number of conversations with PVK that are good to dig up if you haven’t listened. He brings new meaning to civil conversation. A generous man. Worth diving into for sure.
Lord of Spirits is hands-down blowing my Catholic mind. LOVE IT. I have been saving the latest episode for when I have to do a “car day” (for me job), because I want to RELSIH the Q&A.
Have you heard/checked out Rev. Stephen De Young’s, @exjon
He’s the next guy I’d love to have on the podcast. Subscribed to Lord of Spirits from episode #1 and subscribed to his Bible study podcast a few months before that.
An unbidden book plug: Jonathan’s brother, Matthieu Pageau, wrote a book on symbolism titled “The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis” which is required reading if you want to better understand the topics that Jonathan explores in his videos.
The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis: A Commentary https://www.amazon.com/dp/1981549331/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XKB1F91MABHYTEZSXF6T
A great conversation! This dovetails perfectly with a previous podcast with John J. Jacobson and reading classical literature and the narratives of heroes, morality, and tradition. It was almost an amalgamation of Tim Carney’s “Alienated America” and Sohrab Ahmari’s “The Unbroken Thread” (and maybe a light dusting of the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. As a kid who grew up Lutheran and now religiously homeless, I find myself now on a similar path to that of Mr. Gabriel’s, seeking a rock on which to moor myself and my soul. Thank you for a great discussion and plenty to think and pray about!