Damian Counsell talks with polyglot and policy geek Julie Lenarz, Executive Director at Humanitarian Intervention Centre and a Fellow of the Institute of Middle Eastern Democracy. Their wide-ranging conversation covers her recent visit to Iraqi Kurdistan to mark the 25th anniversary of Saddam Hussein’s genocide against its people; why the survivors viewed Allied action as a liberation; the surprising preference of many Kurds for Turkey over the United States as a future partner; the meaning of humanitarian intervention 10 years after the Iraq War; and the activities of the think tanks she works for.

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