On this edition, a wide ranging interview with Representative Devin Nunes (R – CA22), the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee and its Chairman from 2015-19.

Among the topics discussed: The Steele Dossier and the current state of the Durham investigation, the politicization of the Intelligence Community and the Department of Justice, the readiness of our military and the aftermath of the January 6th riot at the Capitol.

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  1. Ed G. Member
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    I love Devin Nunes. Clear thinking on every issue. We need more like him. 

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  2. Ed G. Member
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    Regarding “The Insurrection”, how can anyone possibly generalize specific intent of the crowd to stop the vote of the senate? I watched the videos too, and protest is what I saw (and agreed with), along with breaking and entering and trespass. Those were manifest without need to generalize motive of a crowd of unrelated individuals. Those are actions. Insurrection is an action too, and it was not manifest. 

    Did individuals have intent to stop the vote by breaking and entering and who knows what else? It’s possible that a few did, but that needs to be proven. It can’t simply be assumed. Devin Nunes was 100% right on this – too many are conflating the protest with the breaking and entering. Too many are imbuing the event with their own inferences about motive. 

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  3. Icarus213 Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Regarding “The Insurrection”, how can anyone possibly generalize specific intent of the crowd to stop the vote of the senate? I watched the videos too, and protest is what I saw (and agreed with), along with breaking and entering and trespass. Those were manifest without need to generalize motive of a crowd of unrelated individuals. Those are actions. Insurrection is an action too, and it was not manifest.

    Did individuals have intent to stop the vote by breaking and entering and who knows what else? It’s possible that a few did, but that needs to be proven. It can’t simply be assumed. Devin Nunes was 100% right on this – too many are conflating the protest with the breaking and entering. Too many are imbuing the event with their own inferences about motive.

     

    I mean, in the summer of 2020 when large groups of people took to the streets to protest the killing of George Floyd, I heard a lot of dissembling from people on the political Left about what exactly is and isn’t violence, and how much we should impute motives of entire groups from the actions of a few who actually burned down buildings, etc etc.  There was a lot of avoiding difficult issues in preference to waving them away with shrugs and “who knows” rhetoric.  The impression I took away was “hmm, I think the political Left is kind of in denial about lawlessness on the part of people it generally feels politically affiliated with.”

    Fast forward to January 6, I’m seeing the same kind of dissembling on the political Right, evident by Nunes’ comments and your post.  “How can we really know exactly what they were doing there anyway?”  Well, just so: what was the significance of that exact date?  It was the date Mike Pence reported the election results to Congress.  They were there to protest…. what exactly?  This isn’t hard, my friends.  They were there to subvert the order of law, just like the protesters in 2020 were.  If we do the same kind of dissembling denial that the Left does, we have the same problem they do.  

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  4. Ed G. Member
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    Icarus213 (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Regarding “The Insurrection”, how can anyone possibly generalize specific intent of the crowd to stop the vote of the senate? I watched the videos too, and protest is what I saw (and agreed with), along with breaking and entering and trespass. Those were manifest without need to generalize motive of a crowd of unrelated individuals. Those are actions. Insurrection is an action too, and it was not manifest.

    Did individuals have intent to stop the vote by breaking and entering and who knows what else? It’s possible that a few did, but that needs to be proven. It can’t simply be assumed. Devin Nunes was 100% right on this – too many are conflating the protest with the breaking and entering. Too many are imbuing the event with their own inferences about motive.

     

    I mean, in the summer of 2020 when large groups of people took to the streets to protest the killing of George Floyd, I heard a lot of dissembling from people on the political Left about what exactly is and isn’t violence, and how much we should impute motives of entire groups from the actions of a few who actually burned down buildings, etc etc. There was a lot of avoiding difficult issues in preference to waving them away with shrugs and “who knows” rhetoric. The impression I took away was “hmm, I think the political Left is kind of in denial about lawlessness on the part of people it generally feels politically affiliated with.”

    Fast forward to January 6, I’m seeing the same kind of dissembling on the political Right, evident by Nunes’ comments and your post. “How can we really know exactly what they were doing there anyway?” Well, just so: what was the significance of that exact date? It was the date Mike Pence reported the election results to Congress. They were there to protest…. what exactly? This isn’t hard, my friends. They were there to subvert the order of law, just like the protesters in 2020 were. If we do the same kind of dissembling denial that the Left does, we have the same problem they do.

    The left wasnt dissembling about 2020 motives and most of us on the right didn’t give a darn about the motives either. The dissembling was concerning whether we saw any or much rioting, violence, and looting or whether it was “mostly peaceful”.

    I don’t deny that 1/6 went beyond peaceful protest in some ways, but I do deny it was insurrection because that is a specific thing which would require evidence of motive of the individuals involved. As far as I know there is no evidence that any of the individuals involved were motivated by an insurrection plot. 

    Finally, there is no comparison between 2020 and 1/6 in terms of damage, crime, violence, and scope. None. You can kindly take your equivalence and favor that on your own.

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