In their first episode back from a break, the Hoover Institution’s Richard Epstein and George Mason University’s Adam White manage to disagree about practically every aspect of the new controversy over President Trump, Ukraine, the Bidens, and impeachment.

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  1. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Listening to Adam White is a waste of time and an insult to the 63 million people who voted in the presidential election of 2016. Epstein, at the very least, has a sense of fairness as well as an excellent mind.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 4:28 PM PDT
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  2. Blue Yeti Admin

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Listening to Adam White is a waste of time and an insult to the 63 million people who voted in the presidential election of 2016. Epstein, at the very least, has a sense of fairness as well as an excellent mind.

    Disagreement is not an insult. It’s just a differing opinion. That’s a founding premise of this very site.

    Also, have you been in touch with all 63 million? How do you know they’re insulted? Based on the polling I’ve seen, a good number of them may well be on Adam’s side

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    • October 3, 2019, at 7:09 PM PDT
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  3. JesseMcVay Coolidge

    Bravo Richard Epstein. He articulated everything I’ve been trying to convince my liberal friends about for a week and a half. (More like 2-1/2 years) I don’t think I heard a single thing that I disagree with. Trump’s obnoxious, but he’s the president, and whether it’s because he’s a stable genius playing 4D chess or just lucky, I’m generally satisfied with policy. Like Richard said, a la carte Trump.

    The latest charges are just that. The latest charges. Butt hurt Democrats can’t get their heads around the fact that Hillary lost. Keep throwing stuff against the wall praying something will stick..

    We’re 13 months away from an election. That’s where Trump’s fate should be decided.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 7:14 PM PDT
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  4. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Also, have you been in touch with all 63 million? How do you know they’re insulted? Based on the polling I’ve seen, a good number of them may well be on Adam’s side

    Of course I can’t speak for all 63 million, but in my own little corner of the world every single Republican I know who voted for him is incensed over all these ridiculous investigations and are more supportive than they were originally. The two I know who didn’t vote for him are now Trump voters. IMHO the contributing factors are the increasingly wild far left rhetoric on the left and the perceived unfairness and outright dishonesty of the Dems in their attempts to overthrow a legitimately elected president. I also have a Dem friend who will never vote for Trump, but she is concerned about the participation of the CIA in the Russian investigation. On the other hand, the rest of the Dems I know, two of whom I went to lunch with today, are all in in their contempt for Trump.

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    • October 3, 2019, at 8:13 PM PDT
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  5. Blue Yeti Admin

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Also, have you been in touch with all 63 million? How do you know they’re insulted? Based on the polling I’ve seen, a good number of them may well be on Adam’s side

    Of course I can’t speak for all 63 million, but in my own little corner of the world every single Republican I know who voted for him is incensed over all these ridiculous investigations and are more supportive than they were originally. The two I know who didn’t vote for him are now Trump voters. IMHO the contributing factors are the increasingly wild far left rhetoric on the left and the perceived unfairness and outright dishonesty of the Dems in their attempts to overthrow a legitimately elected president. I also have a Dem friend who will never vote for Trump, but she is concerned about the participation of the CIA in the Russian investigation. On the other hand, the rest of the Dems I know, two of whom I went to lunch with today, are all in in their contempt for Trump.

    There a famous story (probably apocryphal) about the great New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael: after Nixon won in a 49 state landslide in ‘72, she supposedly complained at a dinner party “I don’t understand how Nixon won, I don’t know anyone who voted for him!”

    Be careful about anecdotal evidence. It doesn’t tell you much

     

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    • October 3, 2019, at 8:34 PM PDT
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  6. Cow Girl Thatcher

    If I had a child who was attending George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, I’d be quite disappointed if Adam J. White was one of his/her teachers. 

    JesseMcVay (View Comment):
    The latest charges are just that. The latest charges. Butt hurt Democrats can’t get their heads around the fact that Hillary lost. Keep throwing stuff against the wall praying something will stick..

    This is it, JesseMcVay. This truly is all about Hillary losing. They cannot get over it. 

    I’m beginning to be worried that the “United” States of America are simply not going to be able to stay “United” if the Democrats don’t get their way in presidential elections. I try to teach my elementary students (who say to me just what they hear adults in their homes say– and it is a variety of opinions about Trump) that our system is designed so that no one part of the federal government is more important than any other part. They have to work together or they cannot get things done. And, if we citizens don’t like who has been elected as president, then there is another election coming along, and voters can choose a new president. And if they don’t like what that president is doing, then they have the right to tell their Congress people to pass legislation to counter it.

    I guess I need to go to D.C. and give these lessons to our current Congress, huh?

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    • October 3, 2019, at 11:42 PM PDT
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  7. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Be careful about anecdotal evidence. It doesn’t tell you much

    Yes, you are surely right about that. I try to be always conscious of the fact that there is a big world out there with opinions far different from my little corner. One encouraging poll for how Republicans view him currently is the latest Gallup which shows an 87% approval rating, 36% of Independents approve and only 5% of Dems. 

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    • October 4, 2019, at 2:48 PM PDT
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  8. mildlyo Member

    Kudos to Richard Epstein. At last. I’ve thought for a while that his disagreement over President Trump boils down to a snobbish disdain that anyone of such a character should ever hold the highest office in the land. He says this pretty clearly.

    The difference between Epstein and this Bulwark Never-Trumper White is that Epstein looks past his disdain to judge balls and strikes by the evidence.

    I’m not surprised to learn Adam White is a university professor. It takes a lot of education to see the world in such a distorted way.

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    • October 5, 2019, at 2:34 PM PDT
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  9. RPD Member
    RPD

    I find it startling that Adam White characterizes Richard Epstein’s refusal to imagine things that aren’t there as suspension of disbelief. 

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    • October 7, 2019, at 11:07 AM PDT
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