Welcome to the Harvard Lunch Club Political Podcast for August 24, 2016, it’s the “What the Hell do Blacks Have to Lose?” edition of the podcast! Your hosts are radio talk show guy Todd Feinburg and Tea Party nanophysicist Mike Stopa and this week we welcome back to the HLC podcast Academy Award nominated screenwriter, co-founder of PJ Media and author of many books, including I Know Best: How Moral Narcissism is Destroying our Republic if it Hasn’t Already, our friend Roger L. Simon.

Donald Trump demonstrated yet again this week that no matter that the entire national and local media are repulsed by his rhetoric and his character, that nevertheless it is he who decides what it is we all talk about. From the speech asserting the need for “extreme vetting” of Muslim refugees before allowing them to come to America, to the appeal to African American voters that they have been systematically, repeatedly, arrogantly dissed and discarded by their Democrat overlords so why not vote for Trump, to the understated visit to the flood ravaged communities of Louisiana, Trump has been the talk of the land. We discuss especially the second of these, namely, what the hell do Black Americans have to lose in casting their vote for and their fate with Donald Trump?

Underlying this question is a deeper issue of what is the nature of the insularity and cultural cohesion of the African American community that leads it to vote so consistently and so overwhelmingly for Democrat candidates? Is it all attributable to the history of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Goldwater’s opposition thereto and Nixon’s “southern strategy?” Does the understandable stress of being Black in America lead to a siege mentality where certain allegiances are taken for granted? In any event, what do conservatives have to do to pierce the phalanx and initiate at the very least a dialogue in the African American community about who, in the end, will represent them the best?

And why does the liberal media (we particularly pick on NPR) go utterly bonkers when Trump tries to reclaim their loyal thralls?

We’ll have this and much more, including our shower thoughts and our hidden gem which this week Mike has chosen from the film version of the overture from “Little Shop of Horrors,” entitled Down on Skid Row (Downtown).

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  1. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    The echo chamber continues! The fact that a few positive comments are made by NRO writers about Trump is not the beginning of #NEVERTRUMP pivot. It is simply something that has been going on since the beginning. A great example of this can be found on Ben Shapiro’s podcast where he as a feature call “Good Trump/Bad Trump”. During this segment he lists the things that Trump has done which he sees as good and then the things which he believes are bad. This like the NRO coverage is simply ethical journalism, something you, obviously, are not used to since so little of it takes place in the media.

    The thust of the original anti-Trump edition of NR was an attempt to keep Trump from gaining the nomination since the writers believed that Trump was no an appropriate candidate to represent the Republican party. Now that that is no longer an issue, the writers are simply pointing when Trump does something that increases his chances, dim though they made be, of winning the election. They also point out his inadequacies, as they do with Hillary. They are not changing their views or walking out of the “alley” that Michael visualizes.

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  2. Michael Stopa Contributor
    Michael Stopa
    @MichaelStopa

    Eugene Kriegsmann:The echo chamber continues! The fact that a few positive comments are made by NRO writers about Trump is not the beginning of #NEVERTRUMP pivot. It is simply something that has been going on since the beginning. A great example of this can be found on Ben Shapiro’s podcast where he as a feature call “Good Trump/Bad Trump”. During this segment he lists the things that Trump has done which he sees as good and then the things which he believes are bad. This like the NRO coverage is simply ethical journalism, something you, obviously, are not used to since so little of it takes place in the media.

    The thust of the original anti-Trump edition of NR was an attempt to keep Trump from gaining the nomination since the writers believed that Trump was no an appropriate candidate to represent the Republican party. Now that that is no longer an issue, the writers are simply pointing when Trump does something that increases his chances, dim though they made be, of winning the election. They also point out his inadequacies, as they do with Hillary. They are not changing their views or walking out of the “alley” that Michael visualizes.

    Wish we had a chance to discuss this over a beer, Eugene. As I have said before, I may be pig-headed but I am not in an echo chamber (or else it is a pretty lonely echo chamber).

    And my point about the NR writers is that by explicitly asserting that neither Trump nor Hillary is meaningfully better than the other that they have become, at one level, irrelevant. Opinion journalists are supposed to be advocates.

    My real belief, however, is that they would prefer a Trump presidency to a Hillary presidency. My evidence is that they say (as you note) good and bad things about Trump but never make any consistent attempt to argue on behalf of Hillary.

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  3. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    I have to disagree that opinion journalist have to be advocates for one or the other. When both are so appallingly awful, they become advocates for staying home or voting down ballot, a completely legitimate stance in my opinion.

    I, too, would very much enjoy a long discussion over a pitcher of beer. Next time you come out to the Pacific Northwest, perhaps we can do that very thing.

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  4. Max Ledoux Admin
    Max Ledoux
    @Max

    A conservative in Cambridge, MA, in an echo chamber?

    You know, just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re …xyz.

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  5. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    Max, the echo chamber I am talking about is not Cambridge, it is the discussion that goes on between Michael and Todd. There are no essential disagreements. They reinforce each others views in a manner that can be very frustrating to listen to. They are both decent men, but when you start with a concept that is 180º out of alignment with the real world, and neither member of the discussion sees the misalignment, but, rather, aids the other in ignoring it, that constitutes an echo chamber.

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  6. connorfamilyr1 Coolidge
    connorfamilyr1
    @connorfamilyr1

    I’m not sure I understand Steve Bannon and I don’t read Breitbart.

    I have read that the outreach to African American voters was his idea and he really pushed for it.

    I think Mr. Bannon doesn’t believe in racial nationalism, but rather sees the future being economic nationalism. It will be interesting to see if a Trump administration will remain committed to bring capitalism and a strong economic message to the inner cities. I certainly hope he will.

    I think more attention, strong economic message and opportunity, school choice, and the like could really play well with some communities and voters. I’m all for the GOP having a more inclusive and going after all voters.  I think there is real opportunities in these places.

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