Hillary Heads for Home

Welcome to the Harvard Lunch Club Political Podcast for Tuesday, October 4, 2016. It’s the Hillary Heads for Home edition. We are former congressional candidate and nano-physicist Mike Stopa and radio talk host and newspaper editor Todd Feinburg, and this week we analyze

  1. the disastrous week that Donald Trump has inflicted on his campaign since the debate of last Monday night.
  2. Then we interview John Derbyshire, a longtime conservative writer whose hardline work currently appears at alt-right site VDare.com. We talk to John about the Trump candidacy. He explains why he’s voting for Trump even though he doesn’t necessarily support Trump.

We’ll also have our Shower Thoughts, and our Hidden Gem comes from folk-singer Stan Rogers and his song about (what else) a boat called The MaryEllen Carter.

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There are 21 comments.

  1. Mister D Member

    Really? The most overtly pro-Trump Ricochet podcast decides to have on an alt-right blogger nominally fired from National Review for voicing racist opinions. Forget Mr. Derbyshire’s merits and the truth of those charges – do you really think this will help your cause?

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    • October 3, 2016, at 7:38 PM PST
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  2. Shawn Buell (Majestyk) Contributor

    I’ll listen to the tomorrow, but I detect some trolling on Derb…

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    • October 3, 2016, at 8:20 PM PST
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  3. Lash LaRoche Inactive

    I’ll take John Derbyshire over the hapless crew at National Review any day.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 12:13 AM PST
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  4. Red Fish, Blue Fish Inactive

    I have been practicing RE law for various clients in NYC for over a decade. Every single accusation lobbied against Trump’s practices can be (and is) lobbied against every major builder in NYC. This is completely normal for the RE industry in NYC. Take the accusation of not paying workers. Withholding payment as leverage for getting more is par for the course business practice in this industry. Making accusations publicly that a developer is a bad person is part of the NYC process for then resolving these disputes. Especially if they know that they will land on the front page of the post if they make the accusation loud and against a big personality. Then, they all turn around and work together on the next deal.

    Part of the problem is that the rest of the country is just unaware of how normal this is for NYC, and starts pearl clutching as soon as they hear it. When I hear you guys talk about how the smoke indicates he is “soulless” or “doesn’t have a heart”, I turn you off for ignorance. That argument could be made against pretty much everyone I work with/for, and none of it is true.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 2:56 AM PST
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  5. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    Mister D:Really? The most overtly pro-Trump Ricochet podcast decides to have on an alt-right blogger nominally fired from National Review for voicing racist opinions. Forget Mr. Derbyshire’s merits and the truth of those charges – do you really think this will help your cause?

    Just because you wish to live in the Land of Politically Correct anti-free speech, doesn’t mean that everyone desires this. (As liberal college professors are finding out, some folks just get taken to the slaughter later.)

    Derb is probably the smartest, most original-thinking conservative podcaster out there.

    I didn’t think I would be able to stomach listening to his podcast after Trump won the nomination, but he gloated far less than I would have ever imagined. That’s English-born manners I would guess.

    I always learn a few things too. That’s rare for a podcast. Last time he was talking about the 12 consonants from the Caucasus region that depends upon vibrating one’s uvula in a particular manner.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 6:00 AM PST
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  6. genferei Member

    That VDare.com link is leaking a little more information than you intend, I think.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 6:50 AM PST
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  7. Mister D Member

    The Cloaked Gaijin:

    Mister D:Really? The most overtly pro-Trump Ricochet podcast decides to have on an alt-right blogger nominally fired from National Review for voicing racist opinions. Forget Mr. Derbyshire’s merits and the truth of those charges – do you really think this will help your cause?

    Just because you wish to live in the Land of Politically Correct anti-free speech, doesn’t mean that everyone desires this. (As liberal college professors are finding out, some folks just get taken to the slaughter later.)

    Derb is probably the smartest, most original-thinking conservative podcaster out there.

    I didn’t think I would be able to stomach listening to his podcast after Trump won the nomination, but he gloated far less than I would have ever imagined. That’s English-born manners I would guess.

    I always learn a few things too. That’s rare for a podcast. Last time he was talking about the 12 consonants from the Caucasus region that depends upon vibrating one’s uvula in a particular manner.

    Unfortunately optics is a big part of elections. I grant that in the grand scheme HLC won’t have much impact on the elections, but if one is trying to sway voters, this just provides easy ammo to the other side. I think the situation would be entirely different if one of the many anti-Trump podcasts had Derb on.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 6:57 AM PST
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  8. Shawn Buell (Majestyk) Contributor

    Red Fish, Blue Fish:I have been practicing RE law for various clients in NYC for over a decade. Every single accusation lobbied against Trump’s practices can be (and is) lobbied against every major builder in NYC. This is completely normal for the RE industry in NYC. Take the accusation of not paying workers. Withholding payment as leverage for getting more is par for the course business practice in this industry. Making accusations publicly that a developer is a bad person is part of the NYC process for then resolving these disputes. Especially if they know that they will land on the front page of the post if they make the accusation loud and against a big personality. Then, they all turn around and work together on the next deal.

    That of course, makes it right… Everybody’s doing it!

    Doesn’t this cut across the narrative that Trump is somehow “not of the system”? That he’s uniquely qualified or that “He alone” can fix? Balderdash. Trump is a creature of the system just as much as Clinton is. They merely come at it from different angles; Clinton from the grasping, curtain-climbing, nouveau-riche, hillbilly direction and Trump from the direction of having made his money the old-fashioned way.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:06 AM PST
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  9. Red Fish, Blue Fish Inactive

    Majestyk: That of course, makes it right… Everybody’s doing it!

    No, it does not make it right. That’s my point. It does not say anything about right or wrong. All you did was apply the same test (sarcastically), just from the other side. It just means that using accepted business practices as a proxy for determining whether one has a soul and a heart is ridiculous. They are completely unconnected. Not right, not wrong. Just business. Of course there are limits to this (i.e. murdering your contractor). But refusing to pay, or for that matter, using illegal immigrants, in a system that sanctions those approaches, even if nominally illegal, is neither moral or immoral.

    Majestyk: Doesn’t this cut across the narrative that Trump is somehow “not of the system”? That he’s uniquely qualified or that “He alone” can fix? Balderdash. Trump is a creature of the system just as much as Clinton is. They merely come at it from different angles; Clinton from the grasping, curtain-climbing, nouveau-riche, hillbilly direction and Trump from the direction of having made his money the old-fashioned way.

    Different systems. Says a lot that you conflate the business “system” with the government “system”. I thought we were conservatives!

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:34 AM PST
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  10. Shawn Buell (Majestyk) Contributor

    Red Fish, Blue Fish:

    Majestyk: That of course, makes it right… Everybody’s doing it!

    No, it does not make it right. That’s my point. It does not say anything about right or wrong. All you did was apply the same test (sarcastically), just from the other side. It just means that using accepted business practices as a proxy for determining whether one has a soul and a heart is ridiculous. They are completely unconnected. Not right, not wrong. Just business. Of course there are limits to this (i.e. murdering your contractor). But refusing to pay, or for that matter, using illegal immigrants, in a system that sanctions those approaches, even if nominally illegal, is neither moral or immoral.

    I see. The test for what is considered moral or immoral now hinges upon context.

    “There is no right or wrong there is only power and those too weak to seek it.”

    Majestyk: Doesn’t this cut across the narrative that Trump is somehow “not of the system”? That he’s uniquely qualified or that “He alone” can fix? Balderdash. Trump is a creature of the system just as much as Clinton is. They merely come at it from different angles; Clinton from the grasping, curtain-climbing, nouveau-riche, hillbilly direction and Trump from the direction of having made his money the old-fashioned way.

    Different systems. Says a lot that you conflate the business “system” with the government “system”. I thought we were conservatives!

    We are. Trump is nothing if he isn’t a person unafraid to use the system to crush those who stand in his way when it’s convenient for him – see his views on eminent domain.

    Is not conservatism supposed to celebrate individual responsibility and individual achievement? Since when do we celebrate “using the levers of government to crush private property owners for our own benefit”? That demonstrates initiative of one sort, I suppose… but it’s the low cunning of a street brawler.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:46 AM PST
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  11. Red Fish, Blue Fish Inactive

    Majestyk: I see. The test for is considered moral or immoral now hinges upon context.

    Yes. And that is even true in Catholic teaching, past and present day. It always has been. I doubt you even live your life without such context. And more so true when what you are talking about is not paying someone.

    Let me ask you something? How do you feel about capital punishment? Regardless of how YOU feel, can you make a moral argument for it? Of course you can.

    This kind of black/white thinking is ridiculous. Particularly when you live, you know, on earth, with humans, who are fallible.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:58 AM PST
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  12. Shawn Buell (Majestyk) Contributor

    Red Fish, Blue Fish:

    Majestyk: I see. The test for is considered moral or immoral now hinges upon context.

    Yes. And that is even true in Catholic teaching, past and present day. It always has been. I doubt you even live your life without such context. And more so true when what you are talking about is not paying someone.

    Let me ask you something? How do you feel about capital punishment? Regardless of how YOU feel, can you make a moral argument for it? Of course you can.

    This kind of black/white thinking is ridiculous. Particularly when you live, you know, on earth, with humans, who are fallible.

    It’s not even a matter of “black and white” – I view it as the opposite: you’re asserting that everything is gray, so whatever. I readily concede that “situational ethics” may apply in certain extreme conditions. However, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t at the end of the day a spectrum ranging from “black as night” to “white as a preacher’s sheets” with many subtle gradations in between. What we’re talking about here is much grubbier than it is luminous and its grubbiness is not improved by comparing it to other dirty deeds.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 8:16 AM PST
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  13. Freesmith Inactive

    Mister D: I think the situation would be entirely different if one of the many anti-Trump podcasts had Derb on.

    Why, sure! Which one do you nominate?

    Let’s see, how about Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger host Derb? – That pair are all about good manners and civility.

    Maybe Derb could be a guest on the flagship podcast – finally a voice to lend support to Peter Robinson concerning Trump.

    Perhaps Charlie Cooke and Kevin Williamson could invite Derb to the offices of National Review…oh, wait – scratch that.

    Music could be the connection: Jon Gabriel and Stephen Miller could go back and forth with Derb on politics and on what to add to the Conservatarians’ Spotify playlist. That would be fun.

    Best of all, John, Noah and Abe could match wits and barbs with Derb on the Commentary podcast, which would be highly entertaining.

    Of course, Mister D, none of these things are ever, ever going to happen, just like they never have happened, because the idea is not to discuss issues with John Derbyshire but to NOT discuss John Derbyshire’s issues. What we do get is interminable ridicule and juvenile name-calling.

    And to make sure Derb’s – and Trump’s – issues aren’t discussed is why you won’t hear James Kirkpatrick, Steve Sailer, John Nolte, FH Buckley, Ann Coulter, or Peter Brimelow on any of your favorite podcasts. We’ll get Bill Kristol’s son-in-law instead.

    As you well know.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 8:46 AM PST
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  14. Eugene Kriegsmann Member

    Mike LaRoche:

    I’ll take John Derbyshire over the hapless crew at National Review any day.

    I like John Derbyshire quite a bit. I was disgusted with NRO firing him and waited impatiently for him to find a new home for his writing and podcasts. Having said that, I disagree and have disagreed with his stated opinions on Trump from the beginning. I do understand voting against Hillary by voting for Trump, but the sycophancy of those who, unlike Todd Feinburg, are unwilling to admit what a complete dolt they have nominated to be the Republican candidate, I have absolutely no sympathy.

    I was very pleased to hear Todd’s opinion of Trump since he simply stated what I have said about Trump for months. Had more people realized these obvious facts early on, we wouldn’t be facing the disaster that will surely befall us in November and for the next four years. There is, of course, the slim possibility that WikiLeaks will spew enough stuff to damage Hillary, but I doubt it. Most of her inadequacies have been factored in already. Unless she drops dead, there is little chance that Trump will stop damaging himself with his adolescent stupidity and will lose the election monumentally. Living in Washington state, my vote or non-vote would be meaningless either way.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 8:58 AM PST
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  15. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    Freesmith:Maybe Derb could be a guest on the flagship podcast – finally a voice to lend support to Peter Robinson concerning Trump. [emphasis added]

    Based solely on the descriptions and memory, we’ve had two pro-Trump conservatives on the Flagship podcast recently to discuss Trump: Larry Arnn and Bill McGurn. We also recently had Heather Mac Donald on, whom I believe is also a Trump supporter, to discuss her book with a Trump-friendly topic.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM PST
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  16. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    As for this podcast, I thought it was pretty darn good, and it was great to hear Derb again (I continued following him through the Taki years, but had to give up once he switched to VDARE).

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    • October 4, 2016, at 1:18 PM PST
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  17. Michael Stopa Podcaster

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Freesmith:Maybe Derb could be a guest on the flagship podcast – finally a voice to lend support to Peter Robinson concerning Trump. [emphasis added]

    Based solely on the descriptions and memory, we’ve had two pro-Trump conservatives on the Flagship podcast recently to discuss Trump: Larry Arnn and Bill McGurn. We also recently had Heather Mac Donald on, whom I believe is also a Trump supporter, to discuss her book with a Trump-friendly topic.

    Tom, I have been trying to bring Heather over to the Dark Side for months now. She said she was convinced by the argument here: https://ricochet.com/335327/neither-hillary-trump-sanctimonious/ but it would be a real stretch to call her a Trump supporter.

    I would say her topic is Trump-friendly because it is conservative :-).

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    • October 4, 2016, at 3:35 PM PST
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  18. Quake Voter Inactive

    Michael Stopa: Tom, I have been trying to bring Heather over to the Dark Side for months now.

    Here’s hoping Michael is deriving some psychic thrill by imagining he is on the dark side. Anyone who has listened to and read his arguments for Trump realizes he is motivated by sunlit hopes for an America where the modest prosperity of working class Americans is no longer sacrificed at the altar of cheap landscaping and home remodeling for the liberal upper-middle class.

    Todd perhaps is one acquainted with the night.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 5:05 PM PST
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  19. Freesmith Inactive

    Quake Voter:

    Michael Stopa: Tom, I have been trying to bring Heather over to the Dark Side for months now.

    Here’s hoping Michael is deriving some psychic thrill by imagining he is on the dark side. Anyone who has listened to and read his arguments for Trump realizes he is motivated by sunlit hopes for an America where the modest prosperity of working class Americans is no longer sacrificed at the altar of cheap landscaping and home remodeling for the liberal upper-middle class.

    Todd perhaps is one acquainted with the night.

    Don’t forget the convenience of Eastern European and Hispanic domestic help, sweet folks who are so much more pleasant, tractable and reliable than our home-grown black people.

    And think about all the great food at the many new ethnic restaurants in the nicer areas downtown – nicer, as in “not many black people there.”

    “Dark Side” indeed.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 6:14 PM PST
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  20. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    Michael Stopa:

    I would say her topic is Trump-friendly because it is conservative :-).

    Law and order are, indeed, conservative. Whether Trump has anything helpful to say on the matter is another question. :)

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    • October 5, 2016, at 9:06 AM PST
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  21. Michael Stopa Podcaster

    Quake Voter:

    Michael Stopa: Tom, I have been trying to bring Heather over to the Dark Side for months now.

    Here’s hoping Michael is deriving some psychic thrill by imagining he is on the dark side. Anyone who has listened to and read his arguments for Trump realizes he is motivated by sunlit hopes for an America where the modest prosperity of working class Americans is no longer sacrificed at the altar of cheap landscaping and home remodeling for the liberal upper-middle class.

    Todd perhaps is one acquainted with the night.

    …you can say *that* again.

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    • October 5, 2016, at 10:26 AM PST
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