Welcome to the Harvard Lunch Club Political Podcast, number 163, for February 22, 2018, it’s the California Dreamers edition of the show with your faithful hosts, Todd Feinburg, radio guy and Mike Stopa, nanophysicist. This week we explore two very juicy topics that will get you furious at the riggers and the schemers. First, California, according to a report released by the Census Department, now has the highest poverty rate in the United States – just edging Arizona. The main stream media appears to be totally flummoxed as to how that could happen. Isn’t California liberal *enough*??? Don’t they tax and redistribute more energetically than any state in the nation? What could possibly have gone wrong? It couldn’t have anything to do with, you know, the fact that they import poverty from Latin America at record setting levels, could it?

And speaking of importing poverty from Mexico and beyond, how does it stand now with the Dreamers that the latest push for Comprehensive Immigration Reform a.k.a. illegal alien amnesty has gone nowhere in the Senate? The Dreamers are now saying that they cannot accept amnesty if it means that their parents have to go back to where they came from. Alas, no one is yet demanding that they do so…but some day perhaps.

And, is illegal immigration a zero sum game? Or is all that matters just that number of apprehensions at the border that Border Patrol kindly tracks for us?

We will discuss.

Our shower thoughts? Of course! And this week’s hidden gem is “In Dreams” by Roy Orbison. Enjoy!

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There are 5 comments.

  1. Coolidge

    Every deal made with democrats is a zero-sum-zero game.

    In the 80s they conned Reagan into the largest tax increase (up to that point) in history, and an immigration amnesty. The tax increase was in exchange for spending cuts that where never even offered for a vote in either chamber. Amnesty was in exchange for increased security measures that where never implemented.

    Every single biography of Reagan (that I am aware of) said he regretted both deals for the rest of his life.

    The problem with the used car salesmen democrats, is that they have only 1 customer, republicans – and if you screw over your only customer time and time again – eventually there can be no further deals or even pointless discussion of a deal.

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    • February 21, 2018 at 9:46 pm
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  2. Coolidge

    For Todd, don’t be too jealous of interaction with George Harrison, because his handlers were nuts

    Back in the mid 90’s as a youngin’ I was management at Universal Studios Hollywood, and would occasionally be tasked with VIPs. George Harrison’s family came to the park and his pr flack or whomever made it abundantly clear to me that no one was to bother Mr. Harrison. Okay, fine. No one’s to bother Mr. Harrison. Okay, I get it, etc.

    So we go through the park for 2 or 3 hours. No one even recognizes him or accosts him or his family. All of a sudden I hear “Isn’t that George Harrison of the Beatles?”

    It was his pr flack.

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    • February 22, 2018 at 6:29 am
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Every deal made with democrats is a zero-sum-zero game.

    In the 80s they conned Reagan into the largest tax increase (up to that point) in history, and an immigration amnesty. The tax increase was in exchange for spending cuts that where never even offered for a vote in either chamber. Amnesty was in exchange for increased security measures that where never implemented.

    Every single biography of Reagan (that I am aware of) said he regretted both deals for the rest of his life.

    The problem with the used car salesmen democrats, is that they have only 1 customer, republicans – and if you screw over your only customer time and time again – eventually there can be no further deals or even pointless discussion of a deal.

    I think some deals are more zero sum than others. For example, Republicans get money for military, Democrats get money for social programs. We each get lucre for our constituencies. The pie can expand by just taking more from the taxpayers or going deeper into debt.

    But I take your point that many concessions to the Democrats leave us with just a handwritten I.O.U. and a hearty handshake.

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    • February 22, 2018 at 10:19 am
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  4. Coolidge

    Michael Stopa (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Every deal made with democrats is a zero-sum-zero game.

    In the 80s they conned Reagan into the largest tax increase (up to that point) in history, and an immigration amnesty. The tax increase was in exchange for spending cuts that where never even offered for a vote in either chamber. Amnesty was in exchange for increased security measures that where never implemented.

    Every single biography of Reagan (that I am aware of) said he regretted both deals for the rest of his life.

    The problem with the used car salesmen democrats, is that they have only 1 customer, republicans – and if you screw over your only customer time and time again – eventually there can be no further deals or even pointless discussion of a deal.

    I think some deals are more zero sum than others. For example, Republicans get money for military, Democrats get money for social programs. We each get lucre for our constituencies. The pie can expand by just taking more from the taxpayers or going deeper into debt.

    But I take your point that many concessions to the Democrats leave us with just a handwritten I.O.U. and a hearty handshake.

    Yes, I agree. This is why if there is a dreamer deal, legal residency should be all thats offered for at least a decade, while boarder security can be followed through on. There has to be quid pro quo not a nam quod promissum. (google Latin translator – something for a promise)

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    • February 22, 2018 at 10:53 am
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  5. Member

    Roy Orbison’s In Dreams! This is probably my favorite hidden gem yet. A vastly underappreciated artist, a great love song.

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    • February 24, 2018 at 6:06 pm
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