Average White Man Podcast

Welcome to the Harvard Lunch Club political podcast for May 29, 2019. It is the Average White Man edition of the show with your well above average white men hosts radio guy Todd Feinburg and AI guy Mike Stopa. This week’s edition, number 226 (!!!!), features tales of white men and black men, heroism and infamy, glory and shame.

First, the race within the race: research shows that the Democrats would prefer a female to a male presidential candidate, a person of color to a caucasian. So why then are the leading Dem candidates average white (old) males? We discuss.

Then, cognitive dissonance writ large strikes the left as new revelations about Martin Luther King’s sexual depravity surface in an article penned by Pulitzer Prize winning King biographer David Garrow. We discuss Monica Showalter’s take on the issue as described in her insightful American Thinker column here. Do we need to start re-naming all the schools, streets, public buildings etc? What about the claim that if you support Trump you are giving tacit approval to his objectionable behaviors (e.g. P***y grabbing)?

We have our shower thoughts, sure. And our hidden gem is from Sly and the Family Stone: If You Want Me to Stay. Enjoy!

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  1. Al Sparks Thatcher
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    Mike Stopa has a social disconnect that I often find endearing, but often infuriating as well.

    I’m not particularly offended by profanity, but as I get older, I find that young people that might use profanity freely don’t welcome it from people my age. As I age, I’m held to a higher standard.

    So when Mike was using the P-word to describe women’s genitals, I found it bewildering. I was especially bewildered by his reaction when Todd called him on it.

    And what is especially curious is that Mike doesn’t use profanity that much, and when he does, it’s usually fairly minor stuff, like references to excrement.

    He does have a sense of proprietary, obviously. It’s one of those “I don’t get it” moments that I have with Mike’s logic.

    Moving on to Martin Luther King Jr and his sexual improprieties, rumors of his infidelities have been around for awhile. Senator Jesse Helms brought it up during Senate debates on whether MLK should have his own federal holiday or not.

    If this had come out in the 1960’s, before the “sexual revolution” of the 1970’s, he would have been toast, if for no other reason that part of his moral authority came from his being a Christian preacher. And in saying this, I’m leaving out the recent allegations of his being a enthusiastic spectator of a rape.

    John Hinderaker of Power LIne speculates that the reason the FBI didn’t reveal what they found of their surveillance was that King was the lesser of two evils, the other evil being Malcom X.

    Hinderaker, like Mike and Todd, feels that this could be an argument to the left that they should stop trying take down statues of people that are no longer noble by today’s standards.

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  2. OccupantCDN Coolidge
    OccupantCDN
    @OccupantCDN

    Most artists are terrible people, but for a real moral dilemma look up Hubertus Strughold, a nazi doctor who performed medical experiments (often terminal) on prisoners. He came to the US as part of “Operation Paperclip” and his research was used by NASA in the early Mercury and Gemini programs.

    Now there is the dilemma. Do you use the research that cost many lives – that could not be duplicated without risking more lives – or bury the doctor and ignore his research?

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  3. Adriana Harris Inactive
    Adriana Harris
    @AdrianaHarris

    Todd gets an A+ this week for the hidden gem.

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  4. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
    Rightfromthestart
    @Rightfromthestart

    The left’s no forgiveness ‘Year Zero’ approach of eternal condemnation for acts committed ages ago would wipe out St.Paul, St.Aquinas and the author of Amazing Grace among many others. 

    Why do we accept the left’s terms on these things ? Trump did not admit to grabbing body parts , he merely talked about it. He said ( in private and man to man, he thought) that if you’re a celebrity they would let you. How does that in any way compare to JFK bedding 18 year old interns in the White House? The fact that the Stupid party let the Kennedys off the hook for decades seems to validate the wink wink clubbish atmosphere of both parties in the DC swamp.

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  5. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Democrats’ abstract preference for minorities versus their “actual” preference for white males is partly what might be called “rational polling behavior“: when a pollster asks you questions, reply with what will make you look good and feel good, not the truth. 

    It also raises the question: what do white progressives really think of minorities? 

    When conservatives and libertarians learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they urgently call for reform and competition. 

    When white progressives learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they are quite laid back about it. As far as they’re concerned, the public schools are perfectly fine the way they are. Unlike their spiritual grandparents, they won’t come right out and say the problem is that minority kids are inferior, but the evidence is, that’s what they believe. 

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  6. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    My late mother’s defense of Martin Luther King Jr.: “Oh well, you know, that’s just how black men are.”

    Again, “what do white progressives reallythink of minorities?” Do they agree with my late mother? 

    Or is it that they think black people are so fragile, they can’t handle the truth? Will the records be released in 2027, or will they find some new excuse to keep them sealed?

    Personally, I was in favor of establishing Frederick Douglass Day, instead of MLK Day, in the first place. 

    Incidentally, the story proves the falsity of the charge that J. Edgar Hoover plotted King‘s downfall. Because Hoover could easily have destroyed him if he wanted to. 

     

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  7. Al Sparks Thatcher
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    Taras (View Comment):
    When white progressives learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they are quite laid back about it. As far as they’re concerned, the public schools are perfectly fine the way they are. Unlike their spiritual grandparents, they won’t come right out and say the problem is that minority kids are inferior, but the evidence is, that’s what they believe. 

    I like to trash progressives, especially the one’s seeking power. But I think that statement goes too far.

    There are cynics on both sides of the argument. There are certainly white progressives that are truly concerned about our societal problems and have what I think are misguided solutions to these problems.

    But there are those that are sincere.

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  8. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    When white progressives learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they are quite laid back about it. As far as they’re concerned, the public schools are perfectly fine the way they are. Unlike their spiritual grandparents, they won’t come right out and say the problem is that minority kids are inferior, but the evidence is, that’s what they believe.

    I like to trash progressives, especially the one’s seeking power. But I think that statement goes too far.

    There are cynics on both sides of the argument. There are certainly white progressives that are truly concerned about our societal problems and have what I think are misguided solutions to these problems.

    But there are those that are sincere.

    Definitely there are a few white progressives who break with the Democratic Party on this issue.

    However, most of them stick with the alliance. For the Democratic Party, protecting government jobs is the number one goal; we see this in their approach to the VA scandal, where they also oppose competition. 

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  9. Todd Feinburg Contributor
    Todd Feinburg
    @toddfeinburg

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Most artists are terrible people, but for a real moral dilemma look up Hubertus Strughold, a nazi doctor who performed medical experiments (often terminal) on prisoners. He came to the US as part of “Operation Paperclip” and his research was used by NASA in the early Mercury and Gemini programs.

    Now there is the dilemma. Do you use the research that cost many lives – that could not be duplicated without risking more lives – or bury the doctor and ignore his research?

    How does one ignore good knowledge that comes from a bad source if there’s no causal relationship – that is, no one is going to run out and commit crimes against humanity because Strughold’s data was used?

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  10. Todd Feinburg Contributor
    Todd Feinburg
    @toddfeinburg

    Adriana Harris (View Comment):

    Todd gets an A+ this week for the hidden gem.

    You saw that movie? Poor thing.

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  11. Todd Feinburg Contributor
    Todd Feinburg
    @toddfeinburg

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    The left’s no forgiveness ‘Year Zero’ approach of eternal condemnation for acts committed ages ago would wipe out St.Paul, St.Aquinas and the author of Amazing Grace among many others.

    Why do we accept the left’s terms on these things ? Trump did not admit to grabbing body parts , he merely talked about it. He said ( in private and man to man, he thought) that if you’re a celebrity they would let you. How does that in any way compare to JFK bedding 18 year old interns in the White House? The fact that the Stupid party let the Kennedys off the hook for decades seems to validate the wink wink clubbish atmosphere of both parties in the DC swamp.

    Good point – It always seemed to me that Trump was ingratiating himself with the Hollywood crowd by talking in a manner that they would find acceptable. That is the way it was locker room talk, a place where men puff chest together.

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  12. Todd Feinburg Contributor
    Todd Feinburg
    @toddfeinburg

    Taras (View Comment):

    When white progressives learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they are quite laid back about it. As far as they’re concerned, the public schools are perfectly fine the way they are. 

    I think they usually make an argument in support of more funding for education so they can keep their favorite voters – unions – happy. I have a wonderful sound clip of the former governor of CT Dannel Malloy explaining to an editorial board why more spending doesn’t mean better results. Malloy pushed thru two huge tax increases during his 8 years ending in January, both widely viewed as having caused rich flight from the state leading to revenues that didn’t meet projections. He said:

    “If you look at what we are spending, every cent of additional revenue that has come in since 2011 goes to pay pensions – teachers and state workers – and other post employment benefits. Every single cent and more.”

    Neither tax hike was pitched as an attempt to fill in the hole caused by a government that was overly generous with state workers and then deliberately skipped putting money into the pension funds. They said it was for education, infrastructure etc, just as they’re doing now with new record tax hikes being pursued by his successor.

    Point being – the money doesn’t actually make it into the classroom or anywhere else that would improve lives. Most states and the federal govt have spent themselves into oblivion, and increased spending is usually to allow them to cover up their malfeasance and keep them in the lifestyle to which they’ve become accustomed. Being the party of education isn’t about delivering it, it’s about using policy as an election rigging scheme, the Dems’ standard MO. How can minority kids thrive in such an atmosphere? How can you suggest that this makes them inferior?

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  13. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Todd Feinburg (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    The left’s no forgiveness ‘Year Zero’ approach of eternal condemnation for acts committed ages ago would wipe out St.Paul, St.Aquinas and the author of Amazing Grace among many others.

    Why do we accept the left’s terms on these things ? Trump did not admit to grabbing body parts , he merely talked about it. He said ( in private and man to man, he thought) that if you’re a celebrity they would let you. How does that in any way compare to JFK bedding 18 year old interns in the White House? The fact that the Stupid party let the Kennedys off the hook for decades seems to validate the wink wink clubbish atmosphere of both parties in the DC swamp.

    Good point – It always seemed to me that Trump was ingratiating himself with the Hollywood crowd by talking in a manner that they would find acceptable. That is the way it was locker room talk, a place where men puff chest together.

    @rightfromthestart — you are correct. Here is a transcript of the notorious 2005 hot mike incident:

    “I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.”

     So there is no indication Donald Trump ever actually behaved like Crocodile Dundee in Manhattan, or ever even contemplated doing anything like that. 

    One-Question IQ Test: When Donald Trump said he could get away with shooting somebody in Times Square, was he being serious, or was he engaging in hyperbole? 

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  14. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Todd Feinburg (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    When white progressives learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they are quite laid back about it. As far as they’re concerned, the public schools are perfectly fine the way they are.

    I think they usually make an argument in support of more funding for education so they can keep their favorite voters – unions – happy. I have a wonderful sound clip of the former governor of CT Dannel Malloy explaining to an editorial board why more spending doesn’t mean better results. Malloy pushed thru two huge tax increases during his 8 years ending in January, both widely viewed as having caused rich flight from the state leading to revenues that didn’t meet projections. He said:

    “If you look at what we are spending, every cent of additional revenue that has come in since 2011 goes to pay pensions – teachers and state workers – and other post employment benefits. Every single cent and more.”

    Neither tax hike was pitched as an attempt to fill in the hole caused by a government that was overly generous with state workers and then deliberately skipped putting money into the pension funds. They said it was for education, infrastructure etc, just as they’re doing now with new record tax hikes being pursued by his successor.

    Point being – the money doesn’t actually make it into the classroom or anywhere else that would improve lives. Most states and the federal govt have spent themselves into oblivion, and increased spending is usually to allow them to cover up their malfeasance and keep them in the lifestyle to which they’ve become accustomed. Being the party of education isn’t about delivering it, it’s about using policy as an election rigging scheme, the Dems’ standard MO. How can minority kids thrive in such an atmosphere? How can you suggest that this makes them inferior?

     Todd, you quoted me out of context. Here is the next sentence:

    “Unlike their spiritual grandparents, they [white progressives] won’t come right out and say the problem is that minority kids are inferior, but the evidence is, that’s what they believe.”

    By “spiritual grandparents“, I am referring to an earlier generation of white progressives who fervently advocated eugenics; which, through Roe v. Wade, is very much still with us today, though never spoken out loud.

    “The money doesn’t actually make it into the classroom”: increasing salaries and pensions is, progressives insist, how bad teachers are to be magically transformed into good teachers. (Not that the teachers’ unions will admit any of their members are bad teachers!) This is an inversion of cause and effect: in a market economy, competent people are highly paid; high pay doesn’t make incompetent people competent. 

    As the great and courageous Heather MacDonald has exhaustively documented, the problem is that poor Asian kids routinely outdo rich black kids; for example, dominating New York’s selective high schools.

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  15. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    “In the most extraordinary ending in the 94-year history of the Scripps National Spelling Bee, a record eight spellers were crowned co-champions Thursday night after each correctly spelled a word in the 20th and final round.

    “Rishik Gandhasri, Erin Howard, Saketh Sundar, Shruthika Padhy, Sohum Sukhatankar, Abhijay Kodali, Christopher Serrao and Rohan Raja spelled the final 47 words correctly in their historic walk-off victory, going through five consecutive perfect rounds at Gaylord National Resort in National Harbor, Maryland.”

    “Spelling Bee ends in unprecedented 8-way tie”, http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/26860053

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  16. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    Todd Feinburg (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    When white progressives learn how badly minority kids are doing in public schools, they are quite laid back about it. As far as they’re concerned, the public schools are perfectly fine the way they are.

    I think they usually make an argument in support of more funding for [public] education … [even though many of them, such as] the former governor of CT Dannel Malloy [understand that] more spending doesn’t mean better results.

    … and they send their own children to private schools.

    IN OTHER NEWS: An all-points-bulletin was broadcast, asking the whereabouts of Harvard Lunch Club podcasters Mike Stopa and Todd Feinburg.

    Where the heck are you guys?

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  17. ejsmo2002 Coolidge
    ejsmo2002
    @ejsmo2002

    Yeah, where are you guys?

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  18. Todd Feinburg Contributor
    Todd Feinburg
    @toddfeinburg

    ejsmo2002 (View Comment):

    Yeah, where are you guys?

    It seems we’ve retired the podcast!

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  19. Al Sparks Thatcher
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    Todd Feinburg (View Comment):

    ejsmo2002 (View Comment):

    Yeah, where are you guys?

    It seems we’ve retired the podcast!

    I’m sorry to hear that. I wish you and Mike the best.

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  20. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    Todd Feinburg (View Comment):

    ejsmo2002 (View Comment):

    Yeah, where are you guys?

    It seems we’ve retired the podcast!

    Seems?

    That *seems* to stink.

    I seem to be saying “rats.”

    The HLC podcast had as good a discussion of the topics it chose to address as any podcast on the Ricochet network.

    It seems I will miss the HLC podcast.

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  21. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge
    Jeff Hawkins
    @JeffHawkins

    Maybe you can join HWX which is also persona non grata

    • #21