On October 1, 2021, the Gray Center hosted a conference to mark the twentieth anniversary of Elena Kagan’s published article on “Presidential Administration,” where authors and scholars discussed and presented seven new working papers and two new books on this important and timely concept, during a series of panel discussions.

D.C. Circuit Judge and Gray Center Founder Neomi Rao sat down with Gray Center Co-Executive Director Jennifer Mascott for a conversation about her career, the administrative state, and the creation of the Gray Center.

This episode features Jennifer Mascott and The Honorable Neomi Rao.

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