Unsympathetic Characters

It’s the rare two-headed GLoP this week as Jonah Goldberg is traveling. But that doesn’t mean it’s still not 100% fun: we’ve got some Rank Punditry® on Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie, we’ve got some views on the ScarJo dust up with Disney, we’ve got some opinions on the humongous South Park deal and why Trey Parker and Matt Stone are probably the savviest businessmen in Hollywood. All that and other assorted laughs, slightly risqué jokes, and juvenile references. You know, a regular GLoP.

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  1. EJHill Podcaster
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    jorge espinha: If someone refuses the vaccine, ok, personal choice and all that but they should be the ones to suffer restrictions not me or Pod. 

    Restrictions put on us are not medical. They are political. If you think that they’re going away when we reach a magical vaccination rate you’re fooling yourself. This “crisis” will be laid down and the next one taken up.

    ”We have determined that the only way to truly save the planet and effect real reduction in greenhouse emissions is to restrict economic activity and the free movement of people. Please down our E-Thunberg App. You will be pinged once a day and will have 15-minutes to prove that you are in the geographical location assigned to you. If you are not in your assigned location you risk jail, a substantial fine and the loss of whatever privileges you had previously allotted to you.” 

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  2. kedavis Inactive
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    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Blue Yeti @ BlueYeti 9:41 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 7, 2021

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    Where’s the new episode?

    The withdrawal syndrome is kicking in.

     

    Probably early next week. Holidays making it difficult to schedule.

    Could you please ask Rob Long if he still wants to deport American non-vaccinated to be released by Afghanis?

    These conversations aren’t lectures. The guys are just talking so they exagerate for comic effect. I had my “Bret Weinstein” moment regarding the vaccines but I change my mind and got vaccinated. I’m tired of all this, I can’t stand public health officials and 2 bit experts, I want my life back. So I understand Pod, the bulk of hospitalizations and deaths are amongst the non vaccinated. This was one of the things Trump got right. Once upon a time it was the left that created all the BS regarding pharmaceuticals. I don’t understand the flip floping from so many conservatives. The vaccine program was a big achievement of the previous administration. Vaccines work and are safe. If someone refuses the vaccine, ok, personal choice and all that but they should be the ones to suffer restrictions not me or Pod.

    Do you think it completely irrelevant this these new “vaccines” use totally different technology?

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  3. jorge espinha Inactive
    jorge espinha
    @jorgeespinha

    @kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades.  Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence 

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  4. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J.  I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

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  5. jorge espinha Inactive
    jorge espinha
    @jorgeespinha

    EJHill (View Comment):

    jorge espinha: If someone refuses the vaccine, ok, personal choice and all that but they should be the ones to suffer restrictions not me or Pod.

    Restrictions put on us are not medical. They are political. If you think that they’re going away when we reach a magical vaccination rate you’re fooling yourself. This “crisis” will be laid down and the next one taken up.

    ”We have determined that the only way to truly save the planet and effect real reduction in greenhouse emissions is to restrict economic activity and the free movement of people. Please down our E-Thunberg App. You will be pinged once a day and will have 15-minutes to prove that you are in the geographical location assigned to you. If you are not in your assigned location you risk jail, a substantial fine and the loss of whatever privileges you had previously allotted to you.”

    Now you are talking about something different. Do I think vaccines are safe and we should be vaccinated? Yes, absolutely. Do I believe covid risk 0 can be achieved even with 100% vaccine compliance? No way in hell! Do I trust the politicians and the Sr Fauccis of this world? Not at all. We just have to look to Australia and NZ to see how bad things can turn. For 18 months they have promised us regardless of the country that all we need is one extra sacrifice and we will have our lives back. It’s never enough. Until we the people take back the streets (peacefully) and demand our life back, the state will keep on crushing our freedoms. But not getting the vaccines is in my opinion the wrong way to fight the good fight. I also think the environmental talk and “the end of the world is coming” is BS. 

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  6. jorge espinha Inactive
    jorge espinha
    @jorgeespinha

    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J. I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

    I never said the “other side” was honest. In a country with 80% of the population vaccinated, practically only children aren’t vaccinated  people that  express doubts are labeled “vaccine derniers”. With 80% fully vaccinated you can guess that real vaccine deniers are a rare commodity. 

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  7. jorge espinha Inactive
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    @jorgeespinha

    By the way, I got the Pfizer. 

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  8. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J. I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

    I’m a Moderna bigot, myself.

    With an attenuated virus, there is still the small risk that it’s not attenuated enough.  Also it’s kind of a grab bag, antigen-wise.

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  9. kedavis Inactive
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    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J. I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

    I’m a Moderna bigot, myself.

    With an attenuated virus, there is still the small risk that it’s not attenuated enough. Also it’s kind of a grab bag, antigen-wise.

    Sounds like good reason to be cautious, and wait a while.  Maybe longer than a year, even.

    I wonder how many people out there would never touch any “genetically modified” food, but think the Pfizer and Moderna “vaccines” are just dandy.

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  10. jorge espinha Inactive
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    @jorgeespinha

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J. I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

    I’m a Moderna bigot, myself.

    With an attenuated virus, there is still the small risk that it’s not attenuated enough. Also it’s kind of a grab bag, antigen-wise.

    But that’s the same mistake the health fundamentalists are making. Speaking as a pharmacist, nothing with the exception of water (and even water you have to watch the dosage) is 100% safe. You can die or get sick with any vaccine. Anti inflammatory drugs can cause ulcers and affect the heart. Drugs to stabilize the heart beat can dimish the libido. Statins cause muscular pains. Benzodiazepines might be responsible for early dementia. And you can be sitting comfortably in your house and get killed by a hurricane.

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  11. kedavis Inactive
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    @kedavis

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J. I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

    I’m a Moderna bigot, myself.

    With an attenuated virus, there is still the small risk that it’s not attenuated enough. Also it’s kind of a grab bag, antigen-wise.

    But that’s the same mistake the health fundamentalists are making. Speaking as a pharmacist, nothing with the exception of water (and even water you have to watch the dosage) is 100% safe. You can die or get sick with any vaccine. Anti inflammatory drugs can cause ulcers and affect the hearth. Drugs to stabilize the heart beat can dimish the libido. Statins cause muscular pains. Benzodiazepines might be responsible for early dementia. And you can be sitting comfortably in your ut house and get killes by a hurricane.

    For the record, these are the kinds of things CarolJoy refers to.  They sell you the anti-inflammatory drugs to “cure” something, and then they sell you other drugs to “cure” the ulcers and/or heart problems caused by the anti-inflammatories, and then they sell you other drugs (perhaps Viagra?) to “cure” the diminished libido caused by the “cure” to the heart problems…

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  12. jorge espinha Inactive
    jorge espinha
    @jorgeespinha

    @kedavis

    No. Very few drugs cure a disease. Antibiotics cure an infection and a few anti virals cure Hepatitis C.

    The vast majority of ailments are managed.

    You can opt for a regime of weight lifting and running coupled with a balance diet. And if you genetics help you will go through life without those drugs. But who does that? The majority of people are coach potatoes and over eat.

    So… You get problems. We don’t know how to cure high blood preasure unless is caused by the malfunction of the adernal gland. We can’t cure diabetes either. Or high cholesterol. You can always opt out and not take the drugs. Same with viagra, big pharma didn’t create erectile disfunction, but Viagra can help manage it.

    My mother had 5 children, we all got to adulthood. That’s not natural. Natural would be 2 maybe 3 if she was really lucky. In reality, without modern medicine my mother wouldn’t had survived her 3rd child and my older brother would have died too and you wouldn’t be having this conversation right now because I’m the 4th child. 

     

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  13. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    jorge espinha (View Comment):

    @ kedavis. Not all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines, the J&J and the “oxford”use the atenuated virus technology. It’s a proven method of vaccine technology and it’s been used for many decades. Why aren’t the vaccine hesitant asking for those vaccines? In my little country of 10 million people we have very few reports of problems and we are close to 80%fully vaccinated. Sometimes absence of evidence is evidence of absence

    There are still some questions about J&J. I had figured that if I ever got one of them at all, it would be the J&J, but it seems the J&J has some problems too.

    And, if you go around telling people they should get J&J rather than Pfizer or Moderna (Mode RNA, anyone?) you’re still labeled a crank, a “vaccine denier,” “science denier,” “killer of grandmothers,” etc.

    I’m a Moderna bigot, myself.

    With an attenuated virus, there is still the small risk that it’s not attenuated enough. Also it’s kind of a grab bag, antigen-wise.

    But that’s the same mistake the health fundamentalists are making. Speaking as a pharmacist, nothing with the exception of water (and even water you have to watch the dosage) is 100% safe. You can die or get sick with any vaccine. Anti inflammatory drugs can cause ulcers and affect the hearth. Drugs to stabilize the heart beat can dimish the libido. Statins cause muscular pains. Benzodiazepines might be responsible for early dementia. And you can be sitting comfortably in your ut house and get killes by a hurricane.

    For the record, these are the kinds of things CarolJoy refers to. They sell you the anti-inflammatory drugs to “cure” something, and then they sell you other drugs to “cure” the ulcers and/or heart problems caused by the anti-inflammatories, and then they sell you other drugs (perhaps Viagra?) to “cure” the diminished libido caused by the “cure” to the heart problems…

    CarolJoy is an anti-vaxxer and a Bill Gates conspiracy maven as well.  So she is kind of an anti-authority, as far as I am concerned.

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  14. kedavis Inactive
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    @kedavis

    But I didn’t write cure.  I wrote “cure.”

    The main issue though, still remains.  The drug companies get a lot more money if they sell you 3 or 4 or whatever “cures” rather than maybe the doctor tells you to lose weight to avoid the anti-inflammatory issue, but he can’t because that would be “fat-shaming” or whatever.  Or simply because they want to make money, and they don’t make money from you if they sell you NO “cures.”  And they also have little or no motive to actually create cures because that implies a one-time use.  “Managing your symptoms” is far more profitable because each “treatment” can create more symptoms… and it may all go on until you die, maybe die from one of the “treatments” or some combination of them.

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  15. jorge espinha Inactive
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    @jorgeespinha

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But I didn’t write cure. I wrote “cure.”

    The main issue though, still remains. The drug companies get a lot more money if they sell you 3 or 4 or whatever “cures” rather than maybe the doctor tells you to lose weight to avoid the anti-inflammatory issue, but he can’t because that would be “fat-shaming” or whatever. Or simply because they want to make money, and they don’t make money from you if they sell you NO “cures.” And they also have little or no motive to actually create cures because that implies a one-time use. “Managing your symptoms” is far more profitable because each “treatment” can create more symptoms… and it may all go on until you die, maybe die from one of the “treatments” or some combination of them.

    We simply don’t know how to cure the most comon ailments. Is it possible to cure high blood pressure, high colesterol, diabetes, joint pain, etc? All these common ailments are lifestyle produced. These conditions are very rare amongst the hunter gatherers. Imagine a car that run 1 million miles, everything is wrecked, the car barely runs, can you cure such a car? Well, you can replace all the parts! But then you wouldn’t have the same car anymore. Doctors normally prescribe you the lifestyle change. But who does it? I currently exercise (crossfit) every day, 1 hour, but it’s hard!!! I used to run but I have a stress fracture, I hate running but I have logged over 3000 km the last 2-3 years. It’s really hard. And most people don’t do it. We can’t replace the heart and the entire circulatory system, we can’t fix the brain of decades of abuse by alcohol and cigarettes, we can’t replace the pancreas and liver from decades of sugary foods. So John Normal, screws his body after 50 years of sitting, eating, drinking, etc. But that’s also called living. He had food and drink with his friends, wife and children.

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  16. jorge espinha Inactive
    jorge espinha
    @jorgeespinha

    Good night everybody! It’s Thursday where I am and I have to work tomorrow. It was really nice to have a civil exchange with you guys. Thank you! 

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  17. Zafar Member
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    Taras (View Comment):
    My dream is to have all prospective immigrants asked whether they agree that apostates from their faith must be put to death.  If they say yes, then they should not be admitted to the United States.

    Why not ask them about SSM or pronouns?  That’s what they’re signing up for, after all. 

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  18. Zafar Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    The article goes on to suggest that the quote is a variant of an old phrase from the 1800s, “rum, bum, and bacca”.

     

    All about informed consent for sure.

    But Glopers – I was impressed with the Restless Anal Syndrome thing. Though I gotta say, RAS isn’t caused by Covid (or the vaccine), it’s caused by meth. ????

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  19. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    My dream is to have all prospective immigrants asked whether they agree that apostates from their faith must be put to death. If they say yes, then they should not be admitted to the United States.

    Why not ask them about SSM or pronouns? That’s what they’re signing up for, after all.

    Soft Systems Methodology?  Surface-to-Surface Missiles?  Strålsäkerhetsmyndigheten?

    (Courtesy of The Free Dictionary)

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  20. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    The article goes on to suggest that the quote is a variant of an old phrase from the 1800s, “rum, bum, and bacca”.

     

    All about informed consent for sure.

    But Glopers – I was impressed with the Restless Anal Syndrome thing. Though I gotta say, RAS isn’t caused by Covid (or the vaccine), it’s caused by meth. ????

    Only your coxswain knows for sure

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