Father Long

This month, a rare event: a Pod-less pod, with Rob and Jonah taking sole command of the GLoP bridge. But there’s still plenty to talk about, including a big announcement for Rob, some thoughts about The Fall Guy, the boys have dinner in NYC, a little archeological rank punditry (yes, there is such a thing), get slightly scatological (again), and too off their heads rambling to list here.

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  1. Full Size Tabby Member
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    My recollection is that the audience insisted on the “GLoP” name after you spent a long time trying to use your full names. Y’all resisted for a long time the audience’s insistence on the “GLoP” name. 

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  2. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Starting around 34 minutes Rob said, “There is no reason for the Jews to exist.” He then  went on to how impressive the Jewish religion and tradition is but I think he should have started with a different phrase ;)

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  3. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Starting around 34 minutes Rob said, “There is no reason for the Jews to exist.” He then went on to how impressive the Jewish religion and tradition is but I think he should have started with a different phrase ;)

    I think Rob was addressing how did the Jews survive given the size of their population, being surrounded by super-powers who wiped out other nations in the area. 

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  4. Archibald Campbell Member
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    As I remember the credits of The Fall Guy, the various actors were all lined up with their stuntmen/women, and they showed the stunt people doing various stunts, along with high-fives and hugs from the actors when they were done.  The parts of the stunts they showed deliberately focused on the stunt-people doing them, and not the actor. Was Jonah confused because they were wearing the same clothes as the actors?  So no, they didn’t list the names, but they showed the actors thanking their stunt crews.  It wasn’t like they weren’t acknowledged at all.

     

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Starting around 34 minutes Rob said, “There is no reason for the Jews to exist.” He then went on to how impressive the Jewish religion and tradition is but I think he should have started with a different phrase ;)

    I think Rob was addressing how did the Jews survive given the size of their population, being surrounded by super-powers who wiped out other nations in the area.

    They are the Chosen People.

     

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  6. Jim Kearney Member
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    Jonah’s story about being invited to join the Gridiron Club (begins at 21:30) is pretty hilarious.

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  7. Henry Castaigne Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Starting around 34 minutes Rob said, “There is no reason for the Jews to exist.” He then went on to how impressive the Jewish religion and tradition is but I think he should have started with a different phrase ;)

    I think Rob was addressing how did the Jews survive given the size of their population, being surrounded by super-powers who wiped out other nations in the area.

    I know that is what Rob Long meant and as a nonbeliever let me say that I am impressed and respectful of the tenacity of the Jews. I just wanted to make fun of Rob Long. And I will do so again without regret!

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  8. Brickhouse Hank Contributor
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    My recollection is that the audience insisted on the “GLoP” name after you spent a long time trying to use your full names. Y’all resisted for a long time the audience’s insistence on the “GLoP” name.

    Yeah, that’s how I remember it too. 

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  9. Brickhouse Hank Contributor
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    For what it’s worth, the historicity of David has been established. They’ve found his name inscribed on the occasional stele. @QuietPi has a talk up that discusses this in the group Confessional Lutherans.

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  10. Taras Coolidge
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):

    Jonah’s story about being invited to join the Gridiron Club (begins at 21:30) is pretty hilarious.

    Does this count toward Jonah’s thirty pieces?

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  11. Taras Coolidge
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    Near the end, Jonah mentions that his daughter is “doing intern stuff at the Tribeca Film Festival”.   Another reason he has to stay hard anti-Trump, or she loses her job.

    The festival was founded by Robert De Niro.

     

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  12. ericB Lincoln
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    At around 31:48 (earlier on my phone’s copy), Jonah asks @roblong about whether there is a legitimate reason to say “Judeo-Christian” values (rather than just “Christian” values), or is it just good manners.

    It depends on which values one means.  There are examples where Jesus intensified values (cf. the sermon on the mount in Matthew, chapters 5-7).

    That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is often more accurate.  Christianity may be responsible for spreading values beyond the confines of Jewish society, but the foundation for those values was already present in the Hebrew Bible, which Christians accept and include as the Old Testament in Christian Bibles.

    A primary example is the understanding of humans as uniquely bearing the image of God.  That is based on the Hebrew Bible starting with the very first book of Genesis.  This is the foundation for the concepts of human dignity and human rights – by virtue of being human.  For example, this is the basis for why murdering a human is forbidden while killing animals for food is not.  The “right to life” is another way of saying “Thou shall not murder.”  A private property right for property to be secure is the flip side of saying “Thou shall not steal”.

    The central argument of our Declaration of Independence is that humans have rights that come from God, not government, and therefore no government has the authority to deny or subvert those rights.  Rather than bestowing rights, the language of the Bill of Rights repeatedly prevents the federal government from “prohibiting” or “abridging” or “infring[ing]” or “violat[ing]” rights that people are understood to have.

    The process of change in society has been taking a very long time, but Christianity did not originate the foundational understanding of humans bearing the image of God.  As it was spreading the transformative idea of human dignity and human rights throughout the Roman empire and beyond (eg. don’t abandon unwanted infants to die in the wilderness), Christianity was applying an inherited understanding of human nature that the Hebrew Bible had already declared.

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  13. ericB Lincoln
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    ericB (View Comment):

    That said, the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is often more accurate.  Christianity may be responsible for spreading values beyond the confines of Jewish society, but the foundation for those values was already present in the Hebrew Bible, which Christians accept and include as the Old Testament in Christian Bibles.

    A primary example is the understanding of humans as uniquely bearing the image of God.  That is based on the Hebrew Bible starting with the very first book of Genesis.  This is the foundation for the concepts of human dignity and human rights – by virtue of being human.  …  Christianity did not originate the foundational understanding of humans bearing the image of God.  As it was spreading the transformative idea of human dignity and human rights throughout the Roman empire and beyond (eg. don’t abandon unwanted infants to die in the wilderness), Christianity was applying an inherited understanding of human nature that the Hebrew Bible had already declared.

     

    The latest EconTalk is excellent.  Strongly recommended.  Around 45 minutes in, Russ reads and inquires about a quotation from author Yuval Levin’s latest book that begins this way:

    “Republicanism presumes a set of core virtues and ideals that must hold a society together.  At the heart of modern republicanism is an idea of the human being and citizen rooted in the highest traditions of the west, that we are each fallen and imperfect, yet made in a divine image and possessed of equal dignity, …”.

    Exactly so.  Those “highest traditions of the west” (along with other important values) are properly described as Judeo-Christian values – values spread by Christianity, but whose foundations are in the Hebrew Bible, starting with our understanding of what it means to be human, our “idea of the human being”.

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  14. ericB Lincoln
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    Brickhouse Hank (View Comment):

    For what it’s worth, the historicity of David has been established. They’ve found his name inscribed on the occasional stele. @ QuietPi has a talk up that discusses this in the group Confessional Lutherans.

    I was aware of archeological finds establishing the “house of David”, but was curious if you have a link to that particular discussion.

    I also find other related discoveries interesting.

    1. An ancient tomb has been uncovered in Jerusalem that was located by looking exactly where the Hebrew Bible (= Old Testament) says that King David’s tomb is located.
    2. The Bible indicates that a descendent of King David named Jehoiachin (and also known as Jeconiah or just Coniah for short), was briefly king before being taken captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar.   (1 Chronicles 3:10-17 traces the specific lineage from David’s son Solomon to “Jeconiah the captive”.)  Both the end of the book of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 52:31-34) and the end of 2 Kings (2 Kings 25:27-30) record that a successor to Nebuchadnezzar gave captive Jehoiachin more favorable treatment and that he was given a regular food allowance.  Archeologist Robert Koldewey discovered a Babylonian royal archive room with a cache of cuneiform tablets that included food ration tablets dated from the appropriate time for “Yaukin [i.e. Jehoiachin] King of Judah” or for the Judean King or Judah’s King.
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