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This week on the mighty GLoP podcast, we once again throw pre-agreed topics to the curb and let the Big Brains (that’s really what they make us call them) take the show where they will. So, we cover the infamous history of Rob’s NYC neighborhood, The Watchmen and The Man in The High Castle, whether or not The Irishman is trash or treasure, and are the Ferengis (characters on Star Trek: Voyager for you non-nerds) members of the Chosen People?  A GLoP investigation. Finally, fair warning: we do some Rank Punditry® on impeachment and some of you may be get triggered by what you hear. We apologize in advance to those that don’t want to hear politics, and urge you to use your fast forward button the the last five minutes where we discuss Christmas vs. Hanukkah (or is it Chanukah?)  and then do stick around for an outtake or two after the closing song. 

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  1. Umbra Fractus Inactive
    Umbra Fractus
    @UmbraFractus

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Against Jonah’s advice, I visited meat circle, which could be sketchy. It’s a meat delivery service in India. Potential sponsor?

    Meat Circle is India’s first convenient online fresh meat ordering site based out in Hyderabad. With the wide range of options in every meat category, we give you the fresh and hygienic meat of best quality at fair prices…

    I’m not sure if I should be relieved or dismayed that I’m not the only one who heard this whenever they mentioned this website.

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  2. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I ask Jonah to post a video of him having a conversation with a pro-Trump person.

    I’ve mentioned this in the past as well. He should interview Victor Davis Hanson. It would be refreshing to see both of them have a long form discussion with someone on the other side of the Trump issue. As it is, both of them usually only speak with people who are relatively friendly to their position on Trump. I will hold my breath….

    My guess is that VDH would not be willing to speak with Jonah Goldberg, David French or Steve Hayes.

    Why do you think he wouldn’t be willing to speak to Hayes, Goldberg, or French? I haven’t heard or seen anything to suggest he wouldn’t sit down with them.

    I have not heard VDH be interviewed except by Trump Supporters.

    Chicken or egg question which I addressed previously.

    If @garyrobbins didn’t exist, we would have to invent him.

    Earlier this year, VDH sat for a — ferociously hostile — interview by Isaac Chotiner of The New Yorker:

    https://www.realclearbooks.com/2019/03/08/the_new_yorker_interviews_victor_davis_hanson_17078.html

    VDH holds his own pretty well. I recommend it.

    Thanks. Has VDH been interviewed by a “Country First” Republican?

    What is a “Country First” Republican, b/c if its the Last, Sykes, Schmidt crowd, that’s pretty funny.  And what is the point of being interviewed by a comic book vendor who runs a publication that outright said it wanted to smear VDH to dissuade other’s from supporting Trump?

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  3. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I ask Jonah to post a video of him having a conversation with a pro-Trump person.

    I’ve mentioned this in the past as well. He should interview Victor Davis Hanson. It would be refreshing to see both of them have a long form discussion with someone on the other side of the Trump issue. As it is, both of them usually only speak with people who are relatively friendly to their position on Trump. I will hold my breath….

    My guess is that VDH would not be willing to speak with Jonah Goldberg, David French or Steve Hayes.

    One could only hope for a VDH vs. JVL interview, especially for the headline writer.

    Lastly, how about a VDH interview with Charlie Sykes, Steve Schmidt, or Mike Murphy?

    I recommend this Ricochet Podcast recorded on 1/20/17, aka Inauguration Day with Victor, Jay Nordlinger, and Mona Charen (they are all on together at one point). Have not listened to it since we did it, but my memory is that the conversation gets pretty contentious.

    http://ricochet.com/podcast/ricochet-podcast/inauguration-day/

    Also, a pat on my own back for playing REM’s “Orange Crush” as the closing song.

    Is that the one where Nordlinger basically ends up on a fainting couch over the “American Carnage” speech, and then puts in silence for the rest of the show because no else had the same vapors he did?

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I ask Jonah to post a video of him having a conversation with a pro-Trump person.

    I’ve mentioned this in the past as well. He should interview Victor Davis Hanson. It would be refreshing to see both of them have a long form discussion with someone on the other side of the Trump issue. As it is, both of them usually only speak with people who are relatively friendly to their position on Trump. I will hold my breath….

    My guess is that VDH would not be willing to speak with Jonah Goldberg, David French or Steve Hayes.

    One could only hope for a VDH vs. JVL interview, especially for the headline writer.

    Lastly, how about a VDH interview with Charlie Sykes, Steve Schmidt, or Mike Murphy?

    I recommend this Ricochet Podcast recorded on 1/20/17, aka Inauguration Day with Victor, Jay Nordlinger, and Mona Charen (they are all on together at one point). Have not listened to it since we did it, but my memory is that the conversation gets pretty contentious.

    http://ricochet.com/podcast/ricochet-podcast/inauguration-day/

    Also, a pat on my own back for playing REM’s “Orange Crush” as the closing song.

    Is that the one where Nordlinger basically ends up on a fainting couch over the “American Carnage” speech, and then puts in silence for the rest of the show because no else had the same vapors he did?

    Yeah I think it’s the one where Jay compared it to a beer hall speech basically saying it was better in the original German. 

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  5. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    I don’t think a mere mention of The Man in the High Castle in a comment implying Wokey McWokefulness infecting otherwise watchable televisions justifies its placement in the show notes.

    That said, the final season of The Man in the High Castle was something of a disappointment to me.  It represented a big shift in the character of the show for two reasons:

    1. the Wokey McWokefulness of introducing, out of the blue, the Black Communists and making them the focus of west coast resistance; and
    2. the action movie vibe of the final season, very different from the taut, measured suspense of the earlier seasons.

    It wasn’t a bad season, just different, with a rather unsatisfying ending – which might have been unavoidable.

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  6. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    I don’t think a mere mention of The Man in the High Castle in a comment implying Wokey McWokefulness infecting otherwise watchable televisions justifies its placement in the show notes.

    That said, the final season of The Man in the High Castle was something of a disappointment to me. It represented a big shift in the character of the show for two reasons:

    1. the Wokey McWokefulness of introducing, out of the blue, the Black Communists and making them the focus of west coast resistance; and
    2. the action movie vibe of the final season, very different from the taut, measured suspense of the earlier seasons.

    It wasn’t a bad season, just different, with a rather unsatisfying ending – which might have been unavoidable.

    If it had been Black Hebrew Israelites, that would have been much more imaginative. (I can’t recall what happens to black people in Nazi-occupied America, in the book; probably nothing good.)

    But then, “no enemies on the Left”:  Communists are just “liberals in a hurry”.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    When the Ferengis were introduced on ST:TNG in Season 1, the idea was with the Klingons now part of the Federation, the Ferengis would join the Romulans as the new alternating bad guys in the series. That …. didn’t quite work out as planned, and the more they were brought back, the less they were used as a threat and the more they were as a source of comedy, to the point by DS9 the Ferengi were to the Federation about what the Hakawis were to the soldiers at Fort Courage in “F-Troop” (and TNG eventually would develop a much better alternative danger with The Borg).

    The Klingons were not really part of the Federation, there was just a peace treaty in effect: the Khitomer Accords, which was sort of the central part of the Star Trek VI movie.  During the course of the Deep Space Nine series, the Khitomer Accords were at one point withdrawn, and then later reinstated.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Also, Gene Roddenberry didn’t really want Star Trek to BE “Wagon Train To The Stars,” that’s just how he pitched the show originally to network executives so they’d buy it.  As Wagon Train was a very popular show at the time.

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  9. Joker Member
    Joker
    @Joker

    I am not sure I agree with Jonah’s take on Trump supporters condemning Biden’s Ukraine follies to and brushing off Trump’s. I think its about the reaction of Democrats to Biden’s, uh, misstep.

    Let’s say for the sake of argument that both actions were equally corrupt. 

    Trump’s are a legitimate basis for impeachment and removal, but Biden’s draw no criticism from:

    the MSM, Democrat leaders (Nancy, Chuck, Stenny., maybe AOC and crew), the other Democrat presidential candidates and most tellingly Democrat voters themselves who have Joe up 6% in the polls. 

    Literally nobody believes Trump’s request is a legitimate grounds for impeachment. But we’re moving ahead with an extraordinary Congressional action on a party line basis without disqualifying Biden.

    And the cherry on the sundae is that I saw a poll last week where Hillary would top the polls if she entered the race. The most corrupt politician north of Nicaragua is the top choice of polled Democrats, but Trump is beyond the pale.

     

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  10. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Joker (View Comment):
    The most corrupt politician north of Nicaragua…

    Oh, I doubt Central and South American politicians have anything on her.

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  11. Unwoke Caveman Lawyer Inactive
    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer
    @UnwokeCavemanLawyer

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Or maybe it would be to call Trump the “Anti-Reagan.”

    Not to trigger you or anything, but:

    Trump and Clintons

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  12. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Or maybe it would be to call Trump the “Anti-Reagan.”

    Not to trigger you or anything, but:

    Trump and Clintons

    Och, Billy we hardly knew ye!  

    Compared to what passes for a Democrat these days …

    P.S.:  Somebody posted a picture of Trump with the Reagans just the other day.

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  13. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    Joker (View Comment):

    I am not sure I agree with Jonah’s take on Trump supporters condemning Biden’s Ukraine follies to and brushing off Trump’s.

    I don’t know, @joker – I think you are sure you disagree.

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  14. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    Taras (View Comment):

    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Or maybe it would be to call Trump the “Anti-Reagan.”

    Not to trigger you or anything, but:

    Trump and Clintons

    Ouch, Billy we hardly knew ye!

    Compared to what passes for a Democrat these days …

    P.S.: Somebody posted a picture of Trump with the Reagans just the other day.

    And Horowitz didn’t kill himself.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Unwoke Caveman Lawyer (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Or maybe it would be to call Trump the “Anti-Reagan.”

    Not to trigger you or anything, but:

    Trump and Clintons

    That’s obviously fake.  If it were real, Bill would be staring at (Mrs Trump’s?) cleavage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYaRNrrUwe4

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Something I heard before, but forgot to comment on:

    Yes, math in France is the same as math in the US.  Addition, subtraction, etc.  But the inputs are different.  As pointed out in Mark Steyn’s “America Alone,” for one example.  Which means the results also differ.

    France has had a declining and aging population for quite a while.  Even large imports of mostly-muslim immigrants from the Middle East and Africa don’t solve that problem.

    Meanwhile the US still has a stable/growing population, including people having children which it seems most of the French can’t be bothered with.  One sure way to doom your country, both long-term and even short-term, is to stop having children.

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  17. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Something I heard before, but forgot to comment on:

    Yes, math in France is the same as math in the US. Addition, subtraction, etc. But the inputs are different. As pointed out in Mark Steyn’s “America Alone,” for one example. Which means the results also differ.

    France has had a declining and aging population for quite a while. Even large imports of mostly-muslim immigrants from the Middle East and Africa don’t solve that problem.

    Meanwhile the US still has a stable/growing population, including people having children which it seems most of the French can’t be bothered with. One sure way to doom your country, both long-term and even short-term, is to stop having children.

     

    “The Census Bureau predicts that the nation’s population will grow from 325.5 million today to 403.7 million by 2060 — and 96 percent of that increase of 78 million people is due to the current historically high level of immigration.”

    https://cis.org/Sussis/Five-Ways-ImmigrationDriven-Population-Growth-Impacts-Our-Environment

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Something I heard before, but forgot to comment on:

    Yes, math in France is the same as math in the US. Addition, subtraction, etc. But the inputs are different. As pointed out in Mark Steyn’s “America Alone,” for one example. Which means the results also differ.

    France has had a declining and aging population for quite a while. Even large imports of mostly-muslim immigrants from the Middle East and Africa don’t solve that problem.

    Meanwhile the US still has a stable/growing population, including people having children which it seems most of the French can’t be bothered with. One sure way to doom your country, both long-term and even short-term, is to stop having children.

     

    “The Census Bureau predicts that the nation’s population will grow from 325.5 million today to 403.7 million by 2060 — and 96 percent of that increase of 78 million people is due to the current historically high level of immigration.”

    https://cis.org/Sussis/Five-Ways-ImmigrationDriven-Population-Growth-Impacts-Our-Environment

    That sounds like a 40-year prediction of straight-line or even increasing immigration, which nobody should bet any money on.

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  19. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

    Not if only 96% of their projected increase, comes from immigration.  That means 4% doesn’t.

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  21. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

    Not if only 96% of their projected increase, comes from immigration. That means 4% doesn’t.

    I thought I’d read recently that the US birthrate had fallen to 1.7 births per woman, well below the replacement rate.

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  22. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

    Not if only 96% of their projected increase, comes from immigration. That means 4% doesn’t.

    4% over forty (40) years is just breaking even.

    (Technically, it’s an average annual increase of ~0.01%.)

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  23. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

    Not if only 96% of their projected increase, comes from immigration. That means 4% doesn’t.

    I thought I’d read recently that the US birthrate had fallen to 1.7 births per woman, well below the replacement rate.

    The 4% probably represents projected improvements in longevity.

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  24. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Taras (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

    Not if only 96% of their projected increase, comes from immigration. That means 4% doesn’t.

    I thought I’d read recently that the US birthrate had fallen to 1.7 births per woman, well below the replacement rate.

    The 4% probably represents projected improvements in longevity.

    I’ve also read recently that the life expectancy of white males is declining.

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  25. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    @kedavis — In other words, minus immigration the United States population is just breaking even.

     

    Not if only 96% of their projected increase, comes from immigration. That means 4% doesn’t.

    I thought I’d read recently that the US birthrate had fallen to 1.7 births per woman, well below the replacement rate.

    The 4% probably represents projected improvements in longevity.

    I’ve also read recently that the life expectancy of white males is declining.

    It’s been suggested that suicide and obesity have, in a small way, reversed long-term trends for a few years.

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Something important to keep in mind is that a 4% increase isn’t somehow just “static.” Last I heard, about 3 million people die in the US each year. (From all causes.) Assuming that number stays the same, that’s 120 million over 40 years.  For the total population to have INCREASED by 4%, without immigration, means well over 120 millions births taking place over that same period. 

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  27. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Something important to keep in mind is that a 4% increase isn’t somehow just “static.” Last I heard, about 3 million people die in the US each year. (From all causes.) Assuming that number stays the same, that’s 120 million over 40 years. For the total population to have INCREASED by 4%, without immigration, means well over 120 millions births taking place over that same period.

    The projections probably assume that medicine will continue to advance, so that death rates will fall.  Then birth rates need merely to decline more slowly than death rates to produce net population growth.

    Another way of putting it is that Boomers will hang around longer than people of earlier generations.  But when they go, it’s likely that the native-born population will start to decline.

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  28. LibertyDefender Member
    LibertyDefender
    @LibertyDefender

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Something important to keep in mind is that … [f]or the total population to have INCREASED by 4%, without immigration, means well over 120 millions births taking place over that same [40 year] period.

    I thought we were dealing with percentages, not raw numbers. An annual population growth factor of 1.0001 over 40 years – which results in 4% total growth – is probably likely to be dwarfed by other factors including weather and disease, which can affect birth rates.

    The brilliant Mark Steyn is filling in for Rush Limbaugh today – January 3, 2020, and “demography is destiny” is the theme of his masterful America Alone. Let’s call in and get him to weigh in on the latest projections.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    It’s probably impossible to get through to the Limbaugh show for any good reason, but this is still likely my favorite interview ever, on any subject:

    https://www.adrive.com/public/DS9Nut/NARN%2012-02-06%20NARN%201%20Hour%202%20Mark%20Steyn.mp3

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  30. Kevin Inactive
    Kevin
    @JaredSturgeon

    Late to this podcast discussion but I want to offer an alternative to the theory the democrats botched the prosecution so people changed their minds.   There is a timeline of polls that we can look at to verify this as opposed to replying just on JPods and Jonahs bias against Trump.   Once people learned more details they realized nothing had happened and so moved against impeachment.  Once the trial started, in some polls, it actually moved pro-Trump.   It looks like the American people are not the ones who only want fan service, they can be persuaded by information, its the pundits who just want fan service for their biases.

    Jonah is so confident Trump is impeachable, but as a guy who is ambivalent about Trump but able to see thoughtful people disagree, what are Jonahs opinions about the other Richochet leaders and contributors who disagree.  Does he just think they are all dumb like the masses who have gotten dumb, as he said?

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