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  1. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Franco (View Comment):

    I may regret asking, but I’d be interested in hearing exactly what they get so “So wrong about Trump the man, the phenomenon and the supporters.” Please enlighten us.

    There’s plenty of reporting out there. They are accessible. I’m not trying to disabuse Dore of his convictions either. Waste of time. He needs to believe Bush is a war criminal in the same way Jonah and JPod need to believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.

    Sorry yet?

    Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”

    Are they exhausted and exasperated by the Tweeting, the name calling, and the endless string of unforced errors? You betcha (spoiler alert— so am I and so are suburban Republican women in swing states, as are independents and moderate Democrats who don’t want to vote for Bernie. Is it fair game to call out the behavior that endangers those votes? Because that’s 98%
    of what they critique about Trump. I grant you that the other 2% are juvenile Corn Hole type jokes. You got me on that.

    Maybe they should just “man up” (or “woman up”) and do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world?

    And do they really think that Bernie, especially, would just quietly go about the business of being president? Please.

    What exactly does “do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world” mean? Are you suggesting they take up arms? Join the military?  I don’t know how to break this to you, but they’re pundits, not super heroes. 

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    There’s plenty of reporting out there. They are accessible. I’m not trying to disabuse Dore of his convictions either. Waste of time. He needs to believe Bush is a war criminal in the same way Jonah and JPod need to believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.

    Sorry yet?

    Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”

    Are they exhausted and exasperated by the Tweeting, the name calling, and the endless string of unforced errors? You betcha (spoiler alert— so am I and so are suburban Republican women in swing states, as are independents and moderate Democrats who don’t want to vote for Bernie. Is it fair game to call out the behavior that endangers those votes? Because that’s 98%
    of what they critique about Trump. I grant you that the other 2% are juvenile Corn Hole type jokes. You got me on that.

    Maybe they should just “man up” (or “woman up”) and do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world?

    And do they really think that Bernie, especially, would just quietly go about the business of being president? Please.

    What exactly does “do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world” mean? Are you suggesting they take up arms? Join the military? I don’t know how to break this to you, but they’re pundits, not super heroes.

    I meant put aside what is essentially the snobbery, and support and vote for Trump.

    And even aside from the damage to the country and the world, I expect President Bernie would be awful on Twitter.  Easily worse than Trump.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    @jameslileks Original motto for the Australian Girl Guides: “Don’t Let The Dingo Eat Your Baby!”

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  4. Blue Yeti Admin
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    There’s plenty of reporting out there. They are accessible. I’m not trying to disabuse Dore of his convictions either. Waste of time. He needs to believe Bush is a war criminal in the same way Jonah and JPod need to believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.

    Sorry yet?

    Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”

    Are they exhausted and exasperated by the Tweeting, the name calling, and the endless string of unforced errors? You betcha (spoiler alert— so am I and so are suburban Republican women in swing states, as are independents and moderate Democrats who don’t want to vote for Bernie. Is it fair game to call out the behavior that endangers those votes? Because that’s 98%
    of what they critique about Trump. I grant you that the other 2% are juvenile Corn Hole type jokes. You got me on that.

    Maybe they should just “man up” (or “woman up”) and do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world?

    And do they really think that Bernie, especially, would just quietly go about the business of being president? Please.

    What exactly does “do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world” mean? Are you suggesting they take up arms? Join the military? I don’t know how to break this to you, but they’re pundits, not super heroes.

    I meant put aside what is essentially the snobbery, and support and vote for Trump.

    And even aside from the damage to the country and the world, I expect President Bernie would be awful on Twitter. Easily worse than Trump.

    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for (Rob may still be registered in CA, but same situation). So you can rest your mind about that. The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes. 

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  5. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Franco (View Comment):

    They don’t understand the tweeting. I know it’s really hard for them, but even I understand it now. It’s not 3-d chess, it’s more a magic trick. There’s something really simple that you haven’t figured out.

    The name-calling is absolutely justified and warranted. You guys are in a Stockholm Syndrome. He’s called names every day and so are you! But you don’t hear it anymore because it permeates everything. The entire undercurrents we are racists and knuckle-draggers. They are the bullies. You don’t stand up to bullies by arguing with them nicely that you aren’t a sissy. You punch them in the nose. Or you call them a couple names in return at least. This is gloves-off fighting. It’s necessary to call them out. It’s well-deserved disrespect.

    And the old model is quite rickety. Soccer moms and ‘moderates’ may or may not vote Trump, but inner city blacks and many other demographics not on the legacy radar will replace them.

    It’s not 3-d chess – it’s 14th dimensional chess! Covfefe forever!

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    So forgive me if I get skeptical of these podcasters. It’s actually become an information war, and taking their side by default, or by trying to be nuanced or maintain neutrality won’t work. And by now, it’s looking suspicious.

    Fair enough. And as we have discussed many times, @franco, podcast listening is entirely optional. Yet you uh, persist, which I am eternally grateful for. 

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    Regardless of what the individual hosts of this podcast believe, and I’ve listened to every episode, it would be fantastic if the topic of conversation could be kept on culture. Each of the hosts has at least one other podcast that is meant to be about nothing but politics. Why does it have to be brought up in this one? Don’t we have enough of that from any number of other sources?

    There is one other podcast that I listen to that is dedicated to movies/culture (I’m looking at you, Sub-Beacon). I know what each of the individual hosts’ political view are. Still, they can leave that aside and talk about the movies, TV, or any number of things more enjoyable than politics. I am sure it takes self-discipline to stay on topic (or away from others), but it would be a massive improvement.

    It would be enjoyable to look forward to the podcast again as opposed to eyeing it with trepidation every time a new episode drops.

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  8. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”

    I’m confused. I think Trump is a lout, I think most of his supporters are misguided and many are dupes. I think they will wake up after Trump is blown out by Bloomberg/Klobuchar or Klobuchar/Bloomberg and wander around dazed and confused. They will be like Col. Nicholson in The Bridge Over the River Kwai, muttering what have I done.  I think that’s what Jonah, John and Rob believe as well. 

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for (Rob may still be registered in CA, but same situation). So you can rest your mind about that. The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes. 

    I know that’s their excuse.  But winning the popular vote would be good too.  It’s quite possible that could have happened in 2016 also, if not for all the “my vote doesn’t count anyway”-ers, coast to coast.

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    Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”

    I’m confused. I think Trump is a lout, I think most of his supporters are misguided and many are dupes. I think they will wake up after Trump is blown out by Bloomberg/Klobuchar or Klobuchar/Bloomberg and wander around dazed and confused. They will be like Col. Nicholson in The Bridge Over the River Kwai, muttering what have I done. I think that’s what Jonah, John and Rob believe as well.

    A minimum of 2 Supreme Court nominations and so forth, is nothing to sneeze at.  To do so anyway, is something of a giveaway, isn’t it?  “We like certain things done, but only if they’re done by someone we approve of.  Otherwise we’d rather have the wrong things done, even if that’s also by someone we don’t approve of.”  WTF kind of twisted “logic” is that?

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    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for (Rob may still be registered in CA, but same situation). So you can rest your mind about that. The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes.

    I know that’s their excuse. But winning the popular vote would be good too. It’s quite possible that could have happened in 2016 also, if not for all the “my vote doesn’t count anyway”-ers, coast to coast.

    There is NO chance that Trump is coming anywhere near winning the popular votes in DC, NY, or CA. And let me tell you this as a CA resident myself: there is no possibility that the “my vote doesn’t count crowd”would make a difference in this state or any of the ones mentioned above. It’s not close. 

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    Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”

    I’m confused. I think Trump is a lout, I think most of his supporters are misguided and many are dupes. I think they will wake up after Trump is blown out by Bloomberg/Klobuchar or Klobuchar/Bloomberg and wander around dazed and confused. They will be like Col. Nicholson in The Bridge Over the River Kwai, muttering what have I done. I think that’s what Jonah, John and Rob believe as well.

    No, on the morning after (if there is one) they will be much more about getting to work to re-build the party and the movement. 

    P.S. Let me assure you that Mike Bloomberg isn’t spending $2 billion (or whatever astronomical number it turns out to be) in order to serve as Amy Klobuchar’s VP. No chance in hell that’s happening. 

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  13. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    A minimum of 2 Supreme Court nominations and so forth, is nothing to sneeze at. To do so anyway, is something of a giveaway, isn’t it? “We like certain things done, but only if they’re done by someone we approve of. Otherwise we’d rather have the wrong things done, even if that’s also by someone we don’t approve of.” WTF kind of twisted “logic” is that?

    I have never objected to those that made a reluctant “binary choice,” and neither has Jonah, who invented the phrase I believe. I’ve objected to the cult of personality and repudiation of values after he was elected.  There was not one commenter on Ricochet who admitted supporting this miscreant before the Republican convention in 2016. He hasn’t changed, his supporters have. I know I’m not convincing anyone so this will be my last comment on this thread, 

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    jmaybe (View Comment):

    Regardless of what the individual hosts of this podcast believe, and I’ve listened to every episode, it would be fantastic if the topic of conversation could be kept on culture. Each of the hosts has at least one other podcast that is meant to be about nothing but politics. Why does it have to be brought up in this one? Don’t we have enough of that from any number of other sources?

    There is one other podcast that I listen to that is dedicated to movies/culture (I’m looking at you, Sub-Beacon). I know what each of the individual hosts’ political view are. Still, they can leave that aside and talk about the movies, TV, or any number of things more enjoyable than politics. I am sure it takes self-discipline to stay on topic (or away from others), but it would be a massive improvement.

    It would be enjoyable to look forward to the podcast again as opposed to eyeing it with trepidation every time a new episode drops.

    I have answered this type of comment several times before, but I’ll tackle it again: Unlike the Sub-Beacon guys, (who I really like and admire), Jonah and John are political pundits first and cultural commentators second. Their natural state of being is to comment politics and we are in the thick of a Presidential election year, so…pundits gonna pundit— as I like to say. That said, we are sensitive to this critique (we hear it and talk about it frequently), and we do endeavor to at least mix it up as much as we can. For the 2nd show this month, we will try to stay politics free. Let’s see if we can do it.  

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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    P.S. Let me assure you that Mike Bloomberg isn’t spending $2 billion (or whatever astronomical number it turns out to be) in order to serve as Amy Klobuchar’s VP. No chance in hell that’s happening. 

    If he’s convinced the Bernie Bros will make his election impossible but Amy would be a grudging compromise candidate he might go for it. I believe him when he says getting Trump out is as  important to him as his own ego. He’d demand a big portfolio and probably get it, of course.

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    P.S. Let me assure you that Mike Bloomberg isn’t spending $2 billion (or whatever astronomical number it turns out to be) in order to serve as Amy Klobuchar’s VP. No chance in hell that’s happening.

    If he’s convinced the Bernie Bros will make his election impossible but Amy would be a grudging compromise candidate he might go for it. I believe him when he says getting Trump out is as important to him as his own ego. He’d demand a big portfolio and probably get it, of course.

    I’m sure he’ll be happy to write as many large checks as needed to help the Democratic nominee (assuming it’s not him), but there is no chance he’s going to be Amy’s or anyone else’s VP. He far too rich and too old for that.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for (Rob may still be registered in CA, but same situation). So you can rest your mind about that. The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes.

    I know that’s their excuse. But winning the popular vote would be good too. It’s quite possible that could have happened in 2016 also, if not for all the “my vote doesn’t count anyway”-ers, coast to coast.

    There is NO chance that Trump is coming anywhere near winning the popular votes in DC, NY, or CA. And let me tell you this as a CA resident myself: there is no possibility that the “my vote doesn’t count crowd”would make a difference in this state or any of the ones mentioned above. It’s not close.

    I meant nationally.  That’s what the left keeps yelling about, and why they say to get rid of the Electoral College, etc.  It’s the NATIONAL popular vote, not just that in PRC (People’s Republic of California) and NY.

    In the NATIONAL popular vote, even Peter Robinson matters.  Who woulda thunk?

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    A minimum of 2 Supreme Court nominations and so forth, is nothing to sneeze at. To do so anyway, is something of a giveaway, isn’t it? “We like certain things done, but only if they’re done by someone we approve of. Otherwise we’d rather have the wrong things done, even if that’s also by someone we don’t approve of.” WTF kind of twisted “logic” is that?

    I have never objected to those that made a reluctant “binary choice,” and neither has Jonah, who invented the phrase I believe. I’ve objected to the cult of personality and repudiation of values after he was elected. There was not one commenter on Ricochet who admitted supporting this miscreant before the Republican convention in 2016. He hasn’t changed, his supporters have. I know I’m not convincing anyone so this will be my last comment on this thread,

    He has an odd way of showing it/talking about it.  And he’s not the only one.

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    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for (Rob may still be registered in CA, but same situation). So you can rest your mind about that. The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes.

    I know that’s their excuse. But winning the popular vote would be good too. It’s quite possible that could have happened in 2016 also, if not for all the “my vote doesn’t count anyway”-ers, coast to coast.

    There is NO chance that Trump is coming anywhere near winning the popular votes in DC, NY, or CA. And let me tell you this as a CA resident myself: there is no possibility that the “my vote doesn’t count crowd”would make a difference in this state or any of the ones mentioned above. It’s not close.

    I meant nationally. That’s what the left keeps yelling about, and why they say to get rid of the Electoral College, etc. It’s the NATIONAL popular vote, not just that in PRC (People’s Republic of California) and NY.

    In the NATIONAL popular vote, even Peter Robinson matters. Who woulda thunk?

    I would suggest you not get your hopes up about the popular. Again, speaking from deep blue CA, you will likely be very disappointed. I think turnout from this state is going to be at record levels. 

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for (Rob may still be registered in CA, but same situation). So you can rest your mind about that. The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes.

    I know that’s their excuse. But winning the popular vote would be good too. It’s quite possible that could have happened in 2016 also, if not for all the “my vote doesn’t count anyway”-ers, coast to coast.

    There is NO chance that Trump is coming anywhere near winning the popular votes in DC, NY, or CA. And let me tell you this as a CA resident myself: there is no possibility that the “my vote doesn’t count crowd”would make a difference in this state or any of the ones mentioned above. It’s not close.

    I meant nationally. That’s what the left keeps yelling about, and why they say to get rid of the Electoral College, etc. It’s the NATIONAL popular vote, not just that in PRC (People’s Republic of California) and NY.

    In the NATIONAL popular vote, even Peter Robinson matters. Who woulda thunk?

    I would suggest you not get your hopes up about the popular. Again, speaking from deep blue CA, you will likely be very disappointed. I think turnout from this state is going to be at record levels.

    It could still happen.  But if it comes to that, I would be okay with Trump only winning the popular vote in 49 states.  So that still means Rob and Jonah need to do their part, this time.

    And what a lot of “the other side” doesn’t seem to understand is that stuff like a huge popular turnout against Trump JUST IN CALIFORNIA is precisely the kind of thing the Electoral College was meant to counter.

    And the Senate too, for that matter.

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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    I’ll be interested to read your reaction when a someday, a Democratic President does all that. Somehow, I very much doubt you’ll be nodding your head in approval and telling us that it’s just a “magic trick” and it’s “justified and warranted.” And that’s the issue with it: you’ve the lost the high ground in this entire space. So when you try and inevitably call them out on it, they’ll just laugh at your incredible hypocrisy. And they’ll be right.

    P.S. Care to bet me on the percentage of the AA vote Trump receives in November? I’ll take the under of 10%.

    A Democrat(ic) President has already done that. Trump is not escalating, he’s matching , or paralleling. (Democratic is a descriptive word for a form of government and should not be abused to describe members of a Party that chose to name itself “Democrat”)

    The game you are playing is over. You, and before Trump, ‘we’, lost that game. Now it’s a new game with a different  playing field. Twitter, and workaround media is involved. You haven’t recognized this yet.

    Unfortunately, my dear Blue Yeti, there is no high ground. It’s a myth. I would LOVE  to be present in a world where the moral high ground dominates everything ( or most things?) but this currently is not that world. Now, if you believe good people like you and me can convince all these Fukien’ snakes to change their ways by our glorious examples, be my guest. We need people like you in the world. But not now. Maybe after WWII, maybe around the Reagan Era. Not now.

    You actually take it to heart when they pull a gotcha in your hypocrisy. Usually it pathetically specious and of course, there’s the philosophical argument that one need not take the journey to know the right path. And now you will allow their mockery, based on entirely false premises, to control your actions?

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    There is NO chance that Trump is coming anywhere near winning the popular votes in DC, NY, or CA. And let me tell you this as a CA resident myself: there is no possibility that the “my vote doesn’t count crowd”would make a difference in this state or any of the ones mentioned above. It’s not close.

    I meant nationally. That’s what the left keeps yelling about, and why they say to get rid of the Electoral College, etc. It’s the NATIONAL popular vote, not just that in PRC (People’s Republic of California) and NY.

    In the NATIONAL popular vote, even Peter Robinson matters. Who woulda thunk?

    I would suggest you not get your hopes up about the popular. Again, speaking from deep blue CA, you will likely be very disappointed. I think turnout from this state is going to be at record levels.

    Living right now in an oilfield area of Texas that’s 75% Latino and voted for the Democratic candidate in six of the past seven presidential elections, I’d say if they nominate a candidate who is manages to be against fracking, against guns and comes anywhere close to matching Beto’s primary preening of removing tax exemptions from churches that don’t support LGBTQ issues,they’re going to not simply boost turnout for Trump in normally Red areas — they’re going to flip Blue votes from Hillary in 2016 to Trump, because virtually all the energy sector production growth the past 15 years has been in Latino-majority counties, and they aren’t going to want to lose their $50,000-$150,000 and up jobs to save Gaia.

    It probably won’t be as bad a shellacking as the 20-point loss Wendy Davis took in her run for governor in 2014, but if the Dems’ nominee runs on shutting down 25 percent of the state’s economy, whatever votes they might get in California towards the national total is going to be offset down here.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    I meant nationally. That’s what the left keeps yelling about, and why they say to get rid of the Electoral College, etc. It’s the NATIONAL popular vote, not just that in PRC (People’s Republic of California) and NY.

    In the NATIONAL popular vote, even Peter Robinson matters. Who woulda thunk?

    I would suggest you not get your hopes up about the popular. Again, speaking from deep blue CA, you will likely be very disappointed. I think turnout from this state is going to be at record levels.

    Living right now in an oilfield area of Texas that’s 75% Latino and voted for the Democratic candidate in six of the past seven presidential elections,, I’d say if they nominate a candidate who is manages to be against fracking, against guns and comes anywhere close to matching Beto’s primary preening of removing tax exemptions from churches that don’t support LGBTQ issues,they’re going to not simply boost turnout for Trump in normally Red areas — they’re going to flip Blue votes from Hillary in 2016 to Trump, because virtually all the energy sector production growth the past 15 years has been in Latino-majority counties, and they aren’t going to want to lose their $50,000-$150,000 and up jobs to save Gaia.

    It probably won’t be as bad a shellacking as the 20-point loss Wendy Davis took in her run for governor in 2014, but if the Dems’ nominee runs on shutting down 25 percent of the state’s economy, whatever votes they might get in California towards the national total is going to be offset down here.

    I wouldn’t be confident they know, or believe, that’s what Bernie – or Warren, or the others – would do.  Heck, Obama said in Feb 2008 that energy prices would “necessarily skyrocket” under his policies, and they apparently voted for HIM, TWICE.

    Don’t underestimate the ability of people to believe stuff like “Medicare for All” means “everyone but ME.”

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    I would suggest you not get your hopes up about the popular. Again, speaking from deep blue CA, you will likely be very disappointed. I think turnout from this state is going to be at record levels.

    Living right now in an oilfield area of Texas that’s 75% Latino and voted for the Democratic candidate in six of the past seven presidential elections,, I’d say if they nominate a candidate who is manages to be against fracking, against guns and comes anywhere close to matching Beto’s primary preening of removing tax exemptions from churches that don’t support LGBTQ issues,they’re going to not simply boost turnout for Trump in normally Red areas — they’re going to flip Blue votes from Hillary in 2016 to Trump, because virtually all the energy sector production growth the past 15 years has been in Latino-majority counties, and they aren’t going to want to lose their $50,000-$150,000 and up jobs to save Gaia.

    It probably won’t be as bad a shellacking as the 20-point loss Wendy Davis took in her run for governor in 2014, but if the Dems’ nominee runs on shutting down 25 percent of the state’s economy, whatever votes they might get in California towards the national total is going to be offset down here.

    I wouldn’t be confident they know, or believe, that’s what Bernie – or Warren, or the others – would do. Heck, Obama said in Feb 2008 that energy prices would “necessarily skyrocket” under his policies, and they apparently voted for HIM, TWICE.

    Don’t underestimate the ability of people to believe stuff like “Medicare for All” means “everyone but ME.”

    Lead story tonight on the local CBS station’s 6 p.m. newscast was AOC’s fracking ban bill. She’s not running for president, but the word is out in the Permian Basin and Eagle Ford that people could be voting for their jobs this November.

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    Living right now in an oilfield area of Texas that’s 75% Latino and voted for the Democratic candidate in six of the past seven presidential elections,, I’d say if they nominate a candidate who is manages to be against fracking, against guns and comes anywhere close to matching Beto’s primary preening of removing tax exemptions from churches that don’t support LGBTQ issues,they’re going to not simply boost turnout for Trump in normally Red areas — they’re going to flip Blue votes from Hillary in 2016 to Trump, because virtually all the energy sector production growth the past 15 years has been in Latino-majority counties, and they aren’t going to want to lose their $50,000-$150,000 and up jobs to save Gaia.

    It probably won’t be as bad a shellacking as the 20-point loss Wendy Davis took in her run for governor in 2014, but if the Dems’ nominee runs on shutting down 25 percent of the state’s economy, whatever votes they might get in California towards the national total is going to be offset down here.

    I wouldn’t be confident they know, or believe, that’s what Bernie – or Warren, or the others – would do. Heck, Obama said in Feb 2008 that energy prices would “necessarily skyrocket” under his policies, and they apparently voted for HIM, TWICE.

    Don’t underestimate the ability of people to believe stuff like “Medicare for All” means “everyone but ME.”

    Lead story tonight on the local CBS station’s 6 p.m. newscast was AOC’s fracking ban bill. She’s not running for president, but the word is out in the Permian Basin and Eagle Ford that people could be voting for their jobs this November.

    I hope word gets around, and they take it seriously.  In other states too. But Obama didn’t want fracking either, and they still voted for HIM.

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  26. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    These guys are not NeverTrump – Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson are NeverTrump. These guys are just conservatives that haven’t drunk the Kool Aid.

    Jonah seems very, very, very Never Trump to me. 

    Podhoretz seems open-minded or a bit more open-minded and not sure what to do in the next election.

    Rob doesn’t seem to take much seriously.  Stating that he voted for Trump could end any Hollywood side projects.  He’s one guy that should probably stay silent about it. 

    I was reading some stuff about Richard Nixon last night.  Pete Hamill wrote that Nixon was “devoid of true compassion” and was “the single most aggressive purveyor of violence in the world.”  It’s essentially all the same hate that is directed at every Republican president.

     

     

     

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  27. Taras Coolidge
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    There is NO chance that Trump is coming anywhere near winning the popular votes in DC, NY, or CA. And let me tell you this as a CA resident myself: there is no possibility that the “my vote doesn’t count crowd”would make a difference in this state or any of the ones mentioned above. It’s not close.

    I meant nationally. That’s what the left keeps yelling about, and why they say to get rid of the Electoral College, etc. It’s the NATIONAL popular vote, not just that in PRC (People’s Republic of California) and NY.

    In the NATIONAL popular vote, even Peter Robinson matters. Who woulda thunk?

    I would suggest you not get your hopes up about the popular. Again, speaking from deep blue CA, you will likely be very disappointed. I think turnout from this state is going to be at record levels.

    Living right now in an oilfield area of Texas that’s 75% Latino and voted for the Democratic candidate in six of the past seven presidential elections,, I’d say if they nominate a candidate who is manages to be against fracking, against guns and comes anywhere close to matching Beto’s primary preening of removing tax exemptions from churches that don’t support LGBTQ issues,they’re going to not simply boost turnout for Trump in normally Red areas — they’re going to flip Blue votes from Hillary in 2016 to Trump, because virtually all the energy sector production growth the past 15 years has been in Latino-majority counties, and they aren’t going to want to lose their $50,000-$150,000 and up jobs to save Gaia.

    It probably won’t be as bad a shellacking as the 20-point loss Wendy Davis took in her run for governor in 2014, but if the Dems’ nominee runs on shutting down 25 percent of the state’s economy, whatever votes they might get in California towards the national total is going to be offset down here.

    @kedavis — You caught the second switcheroo by @blueyeti (about state vs. national popular vote) but overlooked the first one (#64, above):

    I meant put aside what is essentially the snobbery, and support and vote for Trump. …

    They live in NY state and DC. It does not matter who they vote for … The future of the nation is not resting upon on their votes

    (Emphasis mine.)  You said “support and vote”; @blueyeti responded that their “vote” doesn’t matter.

    He is correct, in the sense that their support is much more important than their individual votes.

    He is incorrect, in the sense that even if @jon1979 is wrong and Blue State votes for Trump can do no more than narrow the popular vote margin, this would still help with Trump’s legitimacy in some people’s eyes.

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  28. Taras Coolidge
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

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    A minimum of 2 Supreme Court nominations and so forth, is nothing to sneeze at. To do so anyway, is something of a giveaway, isn’t it? “We like certain things done, but only if they’re done by someone we approve of. Otherwise we’d rather have the wrong things done, even if that’s also by someone we don’t approve of.” WTF kind of twisted “logic” is that?

    I have never objected to those that made a reluctant “binary choice,” and neither has Jonah, who invented the phrase I believe. I’ve objected to the cult of personality and repudiation of values after he was elected. There was not one commenter on Ricochet who admitted supporting this miscreant before the Republican convention in 2016. He hasn’t changed, his supporters have. I know I’m not convincing anyone so this will be my last comment on this thread,

    “There was not one commenter on Ricochet who admitted supporting this miscreant before the Republican convention in 2016.  He hasn’t changed, his supporters have.”

    If @pettyboozswha had posted this in December, 2016, it might have been arguable.   To many people, including me, at that time Trump looked like a moderate Democrat who had made insincere conservative promises to get elected.

    But as of February 2020, we already know that Donald Trump is unusual among Presidents for his keeping of campaign promises.

     

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  29. Arahant Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    There was not one commenter on Ricochet who admitted supporting this miscreant before the Republican convention in 2016.

    Ha! I can think of at least two who were so pro-Trump they got themselves banned. And yes, they were that way before his nomination.

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    He hasn’t changed, his supporters have.

    Some have, some have not. And some have watched his results. We talk all the time about how the Democrats have “good intentions and evil results.” Trump may or may not have bad intentions, but overall, he has good results. The “bad” things are usually cosmetic, at most. I understand that for some folks who are not deep thinkers and who can only suss out that cosmetic layer without being able to penetrate the truth beneath it, that this is horrifying. But most folks seem to be able to get to the truth when they try.

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    I know I’m not convincing anyone so this will be my last comment on this thread, 

    And yet, it wasn’t.

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  30. Arahant Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    I have answered this type of comment several times before, but I’ll tackle it again: Unlike the Sub-Beacon guys, (who I really like and admire), Jonah and John are political pundits first and cultural commentators second. Their natural state of being is to comment politics and we are in the thick of a Presidential election year, so…pundits gonna pundit— as I like to say. That said, we are sensitive to this critique (we hear it and talk about it frequently), and we do endeavor to at least mix it up as much as we can. For the 2nd show this month, we will try to stay politics free. Let’s see if we can do it.

    @blueyeti, another solution would be to put the cultural stuff (and the advertisements) in the first half the show, and then talk about politics in the back half or back third.

     

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