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These guys are not NeverTrump – Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson are NeverTrump. These guys are just conservatives that haven’t drunk the Kool Aid.
JPod isn’t a NeverTrump person, he is just consistently wrong in his predictions and his readings of the electorate and the overall current political climate. Rob isn’t NeverTrump he just dislikes him immensely. Jonah, on the other hand simply looks for any way to highlight everything that could be interpreted as Trump wrongdoing while minimizing the wrongdoing on the other side. In some ways I have sympathy for JPod and Jonah as they are the homeless pundits…
True, but they are NeverRightAboutTrump.
Over at the Commentary Podcast, JPod actually comes off as the second most Trump-supportive person, after Abe Greenwald (he and Christine Rosen are probably neck-and-neck, with Noah Rothman sort of traveling in the Jonah Goldberg lane of not changing his ideological beliefs if Trump happens to share them, but also never giving Trump much credit, while being ready to swallow at first glance whatever the latest accusation is against Trump). Rob’s probably less anti-Trump than he was 2-3 years ago — he still doesn’t like him, but he also sees what political ideas would replace Trump if he was gone, and the disingenuous nature of many of the Democrats’ charges against Trump.
Jonah’s the only one I’d say who hasn’t begrudgingly moved a little towards Trump, and still seems to be hoping for a possible Trump alternative in November. His rank punditry in his pre-Iowa election podcast with Stephen Hayes seemed to be in denial about Joe Biden’s political situation, despite all evidence out there that Buttigeg was going to be the one finishing ahead of wacky-but-lovable Uncle Joe.
It came across as more hope that Biden would be a ballot option in November than anything else, instead of someone like Bernie being at the top of the ticket. I could be wrong, but I’m hoping we don’t hear anything about Klou-mentum on The Remnant Podcast over the next few weeks.
I can’t listen to any podcast where people are so very wrong about a central issue.
For example, I listen to Jimmy Dore sometimes because he’s quite funny and insightful about the corrupt DNC and various Democrats, but then he starts calling Bush and Cheney “war criminals” and I have to stop. As much as I have been disappointed by the Bush family, and really have tired of defending him, it’s because of Dore’s warped perspective that makes me stop listening and not because of ideological differences.
So it is with this podcast. So wrong about Trump the man, the phenomenon and the supporters.
Sad!
But if Jonah is thinking that Klobuchar or Biden would actually be a better president – for the country, or the world – he’s still wrong.
This is not a quote from me. I don’t know what happened but please fix!
I feel the same. Dore, however, has held these beliefs for the 15 years that I have been aware of him. It is much easier to dismiss the crackpot side of his views because it is baked in. Jonah’s deterioration started 3-4 years ago. It’s much harder to come to terms with his blind spots and flawed positions.
I may regret asking, but I’d be interested in hearing exactly what they get so “So wrong about Trump the man, the phenomenon and the supporters.” Please enlighten us.
I don’t know if he’s thinking that. But Jonah just seemed in the pre-Iowa podcast as having an interest in keeping Biden viable, to the point he was pundifying that Buttigeg’s voters in the second-choice caucus round might shift to Biden and help him catch Bernie, when the reality being reported for several weeks prior to the podcast was that, if anything, Biden would be the guy who didn’t get 15 percent support in the first round, and could lose his supporters to Buttigieg.
AFAIK — and I’m behind on podcasts this week — there hasn’t been any talking up of Klou-mentum, now that Biden’s in freefall. But if a person was still hoping to have a Trump alternative option in November besides just sitting the election out, and didn’t want to humiliate themselves like The Bulwalk in making “The Conservative Case for Bernie” then you’d start to hear more favorable/hopeful talk about Klobuchar’s chances in the upcoming weeks.
You can select part of a long comment and hit ‘reply’ and it’ll bring that section down. If you hit the wrong ‘reply’ though, say, the one on the immediate next comment, it’ll confuse the software and give you that misattribution. It always pulls the name and the link from the comment you hit ‘reply’ on.
It’s not hatred. At all. It’s simply pointing out some non-standard behavior. Is there a list of politicians who are not allowed to be critiqued? If so, please PM it to me and I’ll make sure we adhere to it going forward.
You are reading way too much into an the cuff comments. He has no stake in the Democratic primary race.
He never said this or suggested it.
Hope not. It was just (IMHO) very sub-par punditry on the run-up to Iowa by Jonah. Byron York and Mollie Hemingway’s podcast, done in Iowa and released the same day was pretty much on the nose as far as anyone could discern that night’s outcome (and Hayes did note in the podcast this was his first time in years not to be in Iowa for the caucuses. But even we comments page contributors out here in the sticks could read the stories in the 3-4 weeks prior that it wasn’t going to be a bang-up night for Biden).
How odd. I had highlighted the quote and clicked “reply” and ricochet.com brought in the wrong “name.”
Then where did the proper attribution come from when Jon1979 replied to my quoting him?
Looks like another software glitch. That wasn’t my quote.
There’s plenty of reporting out there. They are accessible. I’m not trying to disabuse Dore of his convictions either. Waste of time. He needs to believe Bush is a war criminal in the same way Jonah and JPod need to believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.
Sorry yet?
Wait, are you suggesting that a pundit predicted something that then didn’t happen? I will notify the Pundit Police immediately and have his Pundit License said suspended.
These guys talk and write a lot. Invariably they are going to get some things wrong and that’s ok. Most major league batters strike out the majority of times they are at bat. In general, I think our pundits have much better averages than that.
Imperfect Foods doesn’t actually reduce food waste unless people eat MORE overall. Otherwise, the “unwasted” imperfect food is replaced by wasted “perfect” food in the mentioned grocery stores, which no longer sells because people are buying the “imperfect” stuff instead. In that sense, it’s a zero-sum game.
It would be better if the “imperfect foods” were put into the supply for low-income people etc, who otherwise might not get enough, and especially not enough of the proper nutrition. Rather than marketing it to well-off people such as Jonah, Rob, and John.
Also, to be fair to John, he said that he didn’t like the murderous psychopath Harley Quinn being presented as a HERO. Joker and the others, are also murderous psychopaths, but they’re not being presented as HEROES.
Here’s the thing. We are discovering quite rapidly that the people we trusted as our political leaders and pundits were working for an entirely separate agenda that didn’t really include us, you know, people. It’s plain as day. Mitt Romney and John Mc Cain were our last two nominees. Bill Kristol is toying with voting for Bernie Sanders. Jen Rubin is fully out of the closet along with many others who are brazenly going against Trump supporters who actually make up the bulk of GOP voters from before and into the future. It’s beyond Trump and his personality now, and hiding behind that has now become obvious and pathetic in light of what’s happening. You don’t know what’s happening? If that’s the case, then it’s not worth listening to right there. That’s my point.
So forgive me if I get skeptical of these podcasters. It’s actually become an information war, and taking their side by default, or by trying to be nuanced or maintain neutrality won’t work. And by now, it’s looking suspicious.
Not yet. Having had and recorded many, many conversations with them on this topic, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in no way do Jonah and John “believe Trump is a lout, his supporters are misguided dupes and the GOP will someday return to Romneyville.”
Are they exhausted and exasperated by the Tweeting, the name calling, and the endless string of unforced errors? You betcha (spoiler alert— so am I and so are suburban Republican women in swing states, as are independents and moderate Democrats who don’t want to vote for Bernie. Is it fair game to call out the behavior that endangers those votes? Because that’s 98%
of what they critique about Trump. I grant you that the other 2% are juvenile Corn Hole type jokes. You got me on that.
Maybe they should just “man up” (or “woman up”) and do what is necessary for the safety of the country and the world?
And do they really think that Bernie, especially, would just quietly go about the business of being president? Please.
Agreed. If you’re punditing for a living, you’re going to sometimes say things you’re probably not going to want in a ‘best of’ show. It’s just that Jonah’s usually sharper than that in the run-ups to the big events, and Iowa was supposed to be that, before the Democrats cluster-farked it into meaninglessness.
I would agree with one aspect of your baseball strike out analogy in that the GLOP guys seem to strike out the majority of the time in their punditry.
However, it would make for more reliable punditry if the GLOP guys were at least at proficient in not striking out as the MLB all time strike out per at bat leader Reggie Jackson 26% (2597/9864). Which is to say, most major league batters do not strike out most of the time, in fact some players are known to strike out rarely. The mlb league leader in not striking out last year was the Orioles Hanser Alberto with a average striking out per at bat of only 10%(50/524) of the time.
I surmise you meant mlb batters do not get a hit the majority of the time per at bat, given the mlb batting average average is around 250% from year to year.
Are they exhausted and exasperated by the Tweeting, the name calling, and the endless string of unforced errors? You betcha (spoiler alert— so am I and so are suburban Republican women in swing states, as are independents and moderate Democrats who don’t want to vote for Bernie. Is it fair game to call out the behavior that endangers those votes?
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They don’t understand the tweeting. I know it’s really hard for them, but even I understand it now. It’s not 3-d chess, it’s more a magic trick. There’s something really simple that you haven’t figured out.
The name-calling is absolutely justified and warranted. You guys are in a Stockholm Syndrome. He’s called names every day and so are you! But you don’t hear it anymore because it permeates everything. The entire undercurrents we are racists and knuckle-draggers. They are the bullies. You don’t stand up to bullies by arguing with them nicely that you aren’t a sissy. You punch them in the nose. Or you call them a couple names in return at least. This is gloves-off fighting. It’s necessary to call them out. It’s well-deserved disrespect.
And the old model is quite rickety. Soccer moms and ‘moderates’ may or may not vote Trump, but inner city blacks and many other demographics not on the legacy radar will replace them.
The Tenement museum is fascinating.
I’ll be interested to read your reaction when a someday, a Democratic President does all that. Somehow, I very much doubt you’ll be nodding your head in approval and telling us that it’s just a “magic trick” and it’s “justified and warranted.” And that’s the issue with it: you’ve the lost the high ground in this entire space. So when you try and inevitably call them out on it, they’ll just laugh at your incredible hypocrisy. And they’ll be right.
P.S. Care to bet me on the percentage of the AA vote Trump receives in November? I’ll take the under of 10%.