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OK, fair warning: we’re in week 10 or so of this lockdown thing, and the men of GLoP are getting a bit punchy. Add to that some technical issues and being a punching bag in certain quarters, and well, you get a very shall we say, eccentric show. How so? Well, as you’ll hear, we abandon the first take and start the show all over again about ten minutes in. And in the interests of transparency (and comedy) we left our screws-ups in (well, most of them). We cover a range of topics (including this YouTube video tracking hit TV shows of the past 60 years) and go down a host of tangents — too many to list and spoil here. What we can tell you is that you’ll laugh, you’ll marvel at some middle aged juvenile jokes, you may be offended, and you’ll definitely learn a lot about fly and zipper technology. We did.
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Trump’s dumb luck is Joe Biden.
The only way Joe Biden dumb luck runs out is if Joe Biden is replaced by the (D) powers behind the curtain.
Jonah looks grotesque.
Yeah, I wasn’t going there. Looks like a prisoner who has just given up.
He broke the lockdown to enjoy time in Florida, he should be happy.
Here’s another political genius chiming in. Apparently you’ve heard the tropes about a “bad” economy and incumbent re-electability. Me too. “It was fine until the pandemic” So it was what, magic?
Are you just making a a political wishcast?
And then somehow Trump is simply at effect of what the economy does in the fall? We will begin to recover. The numbers are and will be terrible, but improving. I fail to see how Biden, or any Democrat can make the case that Democrats will bring our economy back. Well, maybe, if the point is they are holding the economy hostage and will agree to let it go if a Democrat is elected – a speculation that’s not far wrong.
This is taking one element in a multi-faceted situation and claiming it’s the only factor. Moreover, this factor is itself an anomaly. It was an unprecedented shut-down that most people don’t perceive as being his fault. It’s absurd to blame this on him. Of course the stupid people who’ve been programmed ( quite literally) to hate this man will ‘believe’ and use it as a talking point.
His polls have barely budged since the pandemic and fear monger if began.
The nature of this battle is entirely epistemological. Trying to get “our” message out through hostile agents is moronic.
I have more faith in the intelligence and wisdom of the American people. Including you.
You say yourself, Trump is not to blame. So who are we sparring with? Those who believe the lies, or live in a world where any rhetorical cudgel Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt hands them is put to use.
This only convinces the already convinced. It’s meaningless.
Because they can’t credibly blame Trump, when the economy improves, which is inevitable, the media and Democrats will play it down and try to place blame, but Trump is accepted very generally as being a comeback guy who has always prioritized the economy and if far better suited to bring on a full recovery than Biden, or Hillary or any of them.
The issue that some people on our side (?) don’t understand is that we are in an information war, not some arcane debate about this or that.Until you can deal with the epistemological crisis, you are only playing in the corner. Their corner where they want you.
claiming that someone who basically supports Trump is pledging “fealty” has his frame of reference badly skewed. This issue is far, far, far beyond personality.
From a partisan point of view ( we are supposedly on the same ‘side’, right?), it’s like we are in a regiment that got a new general, but despite all the winning, we didn’t like the way he slapped some poor GI with PSTD around, so therefore we would gripe incessantly and virtue signal and give comfort to the enemy because our general doesn’t model our sensibilities as the stellar human being we want him and everyone else to be.
Some of these people hated their general so much they went Bowe Bergadal.
Meanwhile, if the enemy wins we will all suffer horrifically. But elites have buffers. They feel the pain last.
Smart elites monitor the peasants. Oh, no that’s populism! I forgot.
Speaking of buffers:
To not see the threat(s) before us and pretend we are in some parlor game with fine gentlemen is absolute political idiocy. It’s insane.
So it’s not fealty, Scott, it’s basic survival. (You guys really don’t understand how casually you insult our intelligence).
Again, that’s evidence that you are incurious about why people – smart people- might want to support Trump outright. Secondarily, y’all seem lacking in curiosity about why people might support Trump considering the alternatives. Or just conveniently dismissed it. Or very nuanced…. you’ll take Trump, and you don’t like him but try to tell him what to do. In that, the Nevers and Ann Coulter share those fantasies.
Patton might be a bastard, but he’s our bastard.
Patton might be a bastard, but he’s our bastard.
As I mentioned on the Flagship Podcast comments, I think a lot of it comes from especially Jonah but also sometimes Rob and Peter first mis-representing or perhaps to be generous “misunderstanding” something Trump says or does, and then being against that caricature rather than the facts.
But it’s difficult to figure them being wrong so often if it wasn’t caused by their personal animus toward Trump. Which could mean they “must” (in their heads) disagree with anything Trump says or does even if they had the same position 10 minutes earlier. And the easiest way to get there, might be to simply be wrong about what Trump actually said or did, so they can more easily oppose it without having buckets of cognitive dissonance.
Trump will be blamed for this rioting too you know. And so far he hasn’t a clue on how to react. He can’t. He doesn’t know how.
Perhaps while also pointing out that it’s the cities who select, hire, train, etc their police departments.
No one is insulting anyone, we disagree about how future events are going to unfold. Maybe stop playing the victim card? Although I am pretty sure I know where you picked that up from (and that’s not an insult either).
You know, I hear this all the time and I think it is the height of BS. Sorry, I don’t think judges and tax cuts are worth the complete debasement of the culture, of the Presidency, and the Republican party (or what used to be the party). Right now, the country is literally going to hell in a handbasket and the President is Tweeting murder conspiracies. Maybe you’re cool with that. I’m not.
I’ll stick to my standards and you stick to yours. But that doesn’t make me the enemy. It makes the President lousy at his job. Which he is.
Yes, it’s always someone else’s fault that Trump is misunderstood. Jonah, Rob, and Peter just can’t figure this guy out — he’s too complex! How very convenient as it releases the President from any responsibility in clearly expressing his thoughts (except to folks like you who apparently have the Trump Decoder Ring).
Yikes, if you guys could only step out of your bubble and see how silly you sound.
Folks, we’re going around in circles here, so here’s my final thoughts (I’ve said versions of this before, but I guess it needs to be said again):
The people you hear on this show are pundits. Their job is to express their opinions, not to tell you what you want to hear. Don’t like their opinions? That’s TOTALLY fine — then don’t listen. But if you do listen, maybe stop revving up the outrage machine every time you hear them criticize or make some jokes about the President?
You KNOW where they stand on him, yet you keep listening and commenting about how wrong they are. That’s fine too. But here’s a pro tip: you are not going to change their minds. Not at this stage.
My advice would be to listen to this show, have a few laughs, and either fast forward through or ignore the parts you don’t agree with. I think we’ll all be healthier, happier people if we could try to not penalize or get cross with people we disagree with. It’s just politics, after all. We’re not curing cancer here.
I bid you all a pleasant evening and a restful and peaceful Sunday.
Actually it’s not complex at all, which is what makes it inexplicable when Jonah especially, and sometimes Rob and Peter, just can’t seem to see what’s right in front of their faces.
After a certain amount of stuff like Trump proposing DE-regulation and Jonah and Rob especially instead go with the counter-factual “it’s really MORE regulation!”, it becomes difficult to see it as anything but either intentional pointless contrarianism (see: Monty Python, “Argument Clinic”), or some kind of symptom of them not being able to seriously give Trump credit for anything (Oh sure, occasionally there’s “Yeah the judges are okay, BUT TWITTER!” etc and it’s back to Square One and they may as well have not said anything) just because he said Jonah Doesn’t Know How To Buy Pants or whatever.
Maybe some of us still hope that they’ll eventually return from Oz or wherever they’ve been the past few years? But it will probably require a Trump re-election because otherwise they’ll just say “See? We were right all along!”
It’s pretty hilarious that you think the president debases the culture. We are the culture. All of us. Together. Not one dude in the White House.
For all the talk on the pod, and in this thread, talking about “fealty” to a president, etc, it really seems you all live in places that many of the members on Ricochet do not – which is out in the real world. Where we don’t give a rat’s sass about a Joe Scarborough tweet, and don’t spend time pulling out our unwashed and disheveled hair worrying about what this means for the “serious” people in this country.
That said, I laughed a lot, as I almost always do, while listening, and also laughed a lot at calling this a “culture” podcast while significant time was spent deconstructing TV shows from 50 years ago – although I know that was part of the overall conversation, around how quickly time passes and cultural milestones disappear in the rearview,etc.
Also, to answer the pod question: SCabaret.
Dude, you should get a podcast and show us how it should be done. Because clearly, we’re doing it all wrong.
We all do — that’s true. But he’s got the biggest microphone by far, so is it unreasonable to expect just a bit of example setting and decorum from him?
You know, I hear this a lot (and said earlier in this thread that I live in a deep blue state in a deep blue town). And I accept that I’m ensconced in something of a bubble here. That said, whenever I hear people say “we don’t give a rat’s ass about this tweet, etc., my answer is I don’t care about any one tweet or statement either. It’s the cumulative effect of hundreds of them that get to me and many others. And if you have built up an immunity to the blather that comes out of DC, I salute you. But then I’d ask you to do a short mental exercise and see if you still feel the same: Take the Scarborough tweet and ask yourself how you’d react if Obama had said it. Be honest!
All of these weighty, well-considered comments about the episode. Meanwhile, here I am wondering who I have to kill to hear J-Pod read a promo for Sheath Underwear.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I don’t give a rat’s ass about ANYONE’S “tweets.” With Obama, I was concerned with the lousy judges he appointed, and the unconstitutional executive orders… I’m not sure if there’s any greater problem than someone taking Twitter SERIOUSLY. It’s what, 1% of the country?
They get amplified and reported everywhere. How do you not understand this?
Again, he’s the POTUS, not some guy in Queens with a Twitter account.
This can be arranged…
Why do you assume I don’t understand things? Is it more of your “fealty” nonsense?
Amplified static is still static. If you don’t believe me, try it yourself sometime, maybe with an AM radio.
So the President’s words are just “static”? You’ll get no argument from me on that description. But then why are you so passionately defending him and maligning those of us who would like him to be more careful with his public statements? You are seriously contradicting yourself, which is quite amusing coming from someone who just a few comments ago was lecturing me about “not being able to see what’s right in front of their faces.”
Trump’s words are just “static.” Folks, no more callers, please — we have a winner.
That you wouldn’t care what Obama Tweeted is a bunch of hooey. Especially if he Tweeted the amount of toxic garbage Trump tweets almost every week. And by the way, you would be 100% correct in caring – because it would be wrong.
I’m happy to have a discussion with you, but I bail out when you are not self-aware or honest.
Actually I meant that all of Twitter is static. And represents a very small portion of the public at large. Even if 50% or more of DC was on Twitter, it would still be largely irrelevant, perhaps even more irrelevant than it is already.
On the other hand, speaking of self-contradiction…
Then why do you claim that what he puts on Twitter is so important, damaging to the country, etc?
Mind-reading again, eh?
Let’s be clear about that. I Don’t Care What Anyone Says On Twitter. I Don’t Use Twitter. I Don’t Read Twitter. Twitter Is Worthless. So there can be no accusations of “hypocrisy” that I would care what A puts on Twitter but not what B puts there.
Did Obama use Twitter at all? If so, I ignored that too. There would have been no reason to pay attention to it, especially considering that what Obama said – let alone what he DID! – publicly in much larger and more serious settings, was dishonest. (“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…” “I don’t have the constitutional authority to do DACA…”)
Also, from what I find, Twitter is becoming LESS used and LESS popular over the past several years, not more. So I appear to be on “the right side of history.” (In fact, I was there all along.)
Dude, you’re not listening to me, so I’m done with you. I’m sitting here watching the overthrow of LA County and your President is no where to be seen or heard. Enjoy yourself until November 3rd. BY Out.
Well, see, you couldn’t have paid me to live anywhere near Los Angeles, even 20 or 30 years ago.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.