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  1. Leslie Watkins Member
    Leslie Watkins
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    Fantastic podcast. I saw Jacques Barzun talking about From Dawn to Decadence many years ago on C-Span, and I was utterly awed. What I heard him saying is that decadence is part of the life cycle, like beautiful white gardenia petals inevitably decaying, dissolving into brown. For me, social decadence today is a kind of reversion illustrated by our language losing its shared meaning, non-white students self-segregating on campuses without any sense of irony and with a bit of Righteous glee, young women falling into the arms of political dependence and victimhood and calling it feminism, the humanities (at elite schools especially) pitching meaningless theory characterized by utter disgust, and at the heart of it all, activism, or as I think of it, the angry expectation of perfection. I’m 66 and very glad I grew up in the period I did. The end of the sexual double standard, which I applauded and still appreciate, nonetheless came at a very high price: the loss of understanding between men and women. Harvey Weinstein might well be a victim of the law (as female rape victims often were in my young adulthood) but also, I suspect, of the fact that women—especially ambitious women—no longer see the viability of slapping such a man hard across the face. Do that today, and you might get beat up or worse. Do that when I was growing up, and the man backed down, sometimes with tears of forgiveness. Decadence is demanding that freedom come with no cost, no pain, but with killer abs. That the world should be something it never can be, a life without having to recognize any trade offs. Worst of all, it’s reflected in the depressive unhappiness and ennui that seem to characterize this era.

     

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  2. colleenb Member
    colleenb
    @colleenb

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    Fantastic podcast. I saw Jacques Barzun talking about From Dawn to Decadence many years ago on C-Span, and I was utterly awed. What I heard him saying is that decadence is part of the life cycle, like beautiful white gardenia petals inevitably decaying, dissolving into brown. For me, social decadence today is a kind of reversion illustrated by our language losing its shared meaning, non-white students self-segregating on campuses without any sense of irony and with a bit of Righteous glee, young women falling into the arms of political dependence and victimhood and calling it feminism, the humanities (at elite schools especially) pitching meaningless theory characterized by utter disgust, and at the heart of it all, activism, or as I think of it, the angry expectation of perfection. I’m 66 and very glad I grew up in the period I did. The end of the sexual double standard, which I applauded and still appreciate, nonetheless came at a very high price: the loss of understanding between men and women. Harvey Weinstein might well be a victim of the law (as female rape victims often were in my young adulthood) but also, I suspect, of the fact that women—especially ambitious women—no longer see the viability of slapping such a man hard across the face. Do that today, and you might get beat up or worse. Do that when I was growing up, and the man backed down, sometimes with tears of forgiveness. Decadence is demanding that freedom come with no cost, no pain, but with killer abs. That the world should be something it never can be, a life without having to recognize any trade offs. Worst of all, it’s reflected in the depressive unhappiness and ennui that seem to characterize this era.

     

    Preach it sister.

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  3. LisaEastKy Bethany
    LisaEastKy
    @LisaEastKy

    Thanks for having Phelim McAleer & Ann McElhinney on as guests! I didn’t know about their Weinstein trial transcript podcast; sounds fascinating!  

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  4. colleenb Member
    colleenb
    @colleenb

    LisaEastKy (View Comment):

    Thanks for having Phelim McAleer & Ann McElhinney on as guests! I didn’t know about their Weinstein trial transcript podcast; sounds fascinating!

    These are the ones who produced Gosnell – yes?

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  5. Leslie Watkins Member
    Leslie Watkins
    @LeslieWatkins

    colleenb (View Comment):

    LisaEastKy (View Comment):

    Thanks for having Phelim McAleer & Ann McElhinney on as guests! I didn’t know about their Weinstein trial transcript podcast; sounds fascinating!

    These are the ones who produced Gosnell – yes?

    Yes. And the theater production of emails between Peter Strock and Lisa Page. They’re fantastic.

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  6. colleenb Member
    colleenb
    @colleenb

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    colleenb (View Comment):

    LisaEastKy (View Comment):

    Thanks for having Phelim McAleer & Ann McElhinney on as guests! I didn’t know about their Weinstein trial transcript podcast; sounds fascinating!

    These are the ones who produced Gosnell – yes?

    Yes. And the theater production of emails between Peter Strock and Lisa Page. They’re fantastic.

    Oh they are now triply popular in my book. Way to fight the progressive culture – and all with those wonderful Irish accents!

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