Millions of Americans still believe the election was stolen and sympathize with the Capitol insurrection. Maybe they are your friends, neighbors, and family. Pulitzer-Prize winning historian Anne Applebaum joins Danielle to discuss what other societies have done to overcome extreme political divisions — and how we can apply those methods to our own relationships.

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  1. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    According to Andrew Klavan, the reason people went for Trump is that they have been called dumb racists for decades and told lies about American history and human nature. He is right. Leftists believe that: cops go around randomly killing black people, that women make 76% on the dollar because of sexism, and that chick-fillet won’t serve homosexuals. Also, everything with Trump and Russia was completely fabricated.

    Trump was appealing to them (and in some ways, to me as well) because he was rude enough to cut through the empire of lies. Now he replaced those lies with other nonsense and that’s a problem but the paranoid style of American politics is absolutely bipartisan.

    It’s fine to say that Trump didn’t do enough to improve infrastructure but wasn’t that what shovel-ready jobs were for under Obama? At least Trump didn’t spend a trillion on stimulus that didn’t do anything. 

    Trump is a symptom of America’s distrust with our elites. That distrust isn’t going anywhere and it’s largely deserved. 

    I agree with how terrible it is that there are those with sympathy towards political violence on the right-wing of the American spectrum. But isn’t such support a dark and terrible echo of the left’s excusal of anti-fa and BLM riots?

     

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  2. colleenb Member
    colleenb
    @colleenb

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Andrew Klavan, the reason people went for Trump is that they have been called dumb racists for decades and told lies about American history and human nature. He is right. Leftists believe that: cops go around randomly killing black people, that women make 76% on the dollar because of sexism, and that chick-fillet won’t serve homosexuals. Also, everything with Trump and Russia was completely fabricated.

    Trump was appealing to them (and in some ways, to me as well) because he was rude enough to cut through the empire of lies. Now he replaced those lies with other nonsense and that’s a problem but the paranoid style of American politics is absolutely bipartisan.

    It’s fine to say that Trump didn’t do enough to improve infrastructure but wasn’t that what shovel-ready jobs were for under Obama? At least Trump didn’t spend a trillion on stimulus that didn’t do anything.

    Trump is a symptom of America’s distrust with our elites. That distrust isn’t going anywhere and it’s largely deserved.

    I agree with how terrible it is that there are those with sympathy towards political violence on the right-wing of the American spectrum. But isn’t such support a dark and terrible echo of the left’s excusal of anti-fa and BLM riots?

     

    Is this worth listening to? I like Anne Applebaum’s books but feel that she’s gone TDS and can’t think straight if it has anything to do with him.

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  3. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    colleenb (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Andrew Klavan, the reason people went for Trump is that they have been called dumb racists for decades and told lies about American history and human nature. He is right. Leftists believe that: cops go around randomly killing black people, that women make 76% on the dollar because of sexism, and that chick-fillet won’t serve homosexuals. Also, everything with Trump and Russia was completely fabricated.

    Trump was appealing to them (and in some ways, to me as well) because he was rude enough to cut through the empire of lies. Now he replaced those lies with other nonsense and that’s a problem but the paranoid style of American politics is absolutely bipartisan.

    It’s fine to say that Trump didn’t do enough to improve infrastructure but wasn’t that what shovel-ready jobs were for under Obama? At least Trump didn’t spend a trillion on stimulus that didn’t do anything.

    Trump is a symptom of America’s distrust with our elites. That distrust isn’t going anywhere and it’s largely deserved.

    I agree with how terrible it is that there are those with sympathy towards political violence on the right-wing of the American spectrum. But isn’t such support a dark and terrible echo of the left’s excusal of anti-fa and BLM riots?

     

    Is this worth listening to? I like Anne Applebaum’s books but feel that she’s gone TDS and can’t think straight if it has anything to do with him.

    I regretfully must say no. I am very unhappy with Trump at the moment and any buffoon that supports political violence but there is something about Trump that makes people go TDS. She speaks as though the left is blameless in their advocacy of conspiracy theories and political violence and that really irks me. I do however recommend this interview with Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson. The interview addresses the right-wing crazies without going overboard in my opinion. 

     

     

     

     

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  4. PedroIg Member
    PedroIg
    @PedroIg

    I agree with much of what was said in previous posts. Even though Anne Applebaum and Danielle Crittenden were specifically addressing the “extreme” Right, their attitude toward those of us who are skeptical of the lack of truthfulness of many media outlets was downright condescending. The “Truth” problem is entirely on the Right. No issue on the Left. No mention of the violence of the Left this summer, which was more sustained and far-reaching. Any effort to remediate the problem by either of them won’t be successful so long as they’re both stuck in their bubble. This is way bigger than Trump and would continue even if he were to exit the public stage.

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  5. Jim Wright Coolidge
    Jim Wright
    @JimW

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    colleenb (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Andrew Klavan, the reason people went for Trump is that they have been called dumb racists for decades and told lies about American history and human nature. He is right. Leftists believe that: cops go around randomly killing black people, that women make 76% on the dollar because of sexism, and that chick-fillet won’t serve homosexuals. Also, everything with Trump and Russia was completely fabricated.

    Trump was appealing to them (and in some ways, to me as well) because he was rude enough to cut through the empire of lies. Now he replaced those lies with other nonsense and that’s a problem but the paranoid style of American politics is absolutely bipartisan.

    It’s fine to say that Trump didn’t do enough to improve infrastructure but wasn’t that what shovel-ready jobs were for under Obama? At least Trump didn’t spend a trillion on stimulus that didn’t do anything.

    Trump is a symptom of America’s distrust with our elites. That distrust isn’t going anywhere and it’s largely deserved.

    I agree with how terrible it is that there are those with sympathy towards political violence on the right-wing of the American spectrum. But isn’t such support a dark and terrible echo of the left’s excusal of anti-fa and BLM riots?

     

    Is this worth listening to? I like Anne Applebaum’s books but feel that she’s gone TDS and can’t think straight if it has anything to do with him.

    I regretfully must say no. I am very unhappy with Trump at the moment and any buffoon that supports political violence but there is something about Trump that makes people go TDS. She speaks as though the left is blameless in their advocacy of conspiracy theories and political violence and that really irks me. I do however recommend this interview with Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson. The interview addresses the right-wing crazies without going overboard in my opinion.

     

    Bad episode. The “30,000+ lies” trope is asinine – Trump generally “lies” like Commander McBragg, exaggerating good or bad things to The Best/The Worst. Endlessly counting exaggeration as Documented Lies just runs up the score on meaningless fluff. They also lied shamelessly by labeling his beliefs, opinions, and attempts to reassure as “lies.” 

    I’m not a die-hard Trumper. I was ready to see the last of him long before January 20. But this obsession with tallying Trump’s “lies” had a two-fold effect: cry wolf so often about so much dumb stuff like “biggest crowds”, and (a) when he tells the truth, half the country doesn’t believe him, and (b) when he lies about something substantive, half the country doesn’t believe the wolf-criers. And let’s not ignore that Biden’s been lying for 50+ years in public. Play palace guard at your peril.

     

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  6. colleenb Member
    colleenb
    @colleenb

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    colleenb (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    According to Andrew Klavan, the reason people went for Trump is that they have been called dumb racists for decades and told lies about American history and human nature. He is right. Leftists believe that: cops go around randomly killing black people, that women make 76% on the dollar because of sexism, and that chick-fillet won’t serve homosexuals. Also, everything with Trump and Russia was completely fabricated.

    Trump was appealing to them (and in some ways, to me as well) because he was rude enough to cut through the empire of lies. Now he replaced those lies with other nonsense and that’s a problem but the paranoid style of American politics is absolutely bipartisan.

    It’s fine to say that Trump didn’t do enough to improve infrastructure but wasn’t that what shovel-ready jobs were for under Obama? At least Trump didn’t spend a trillion on stimulus that didn’t do anything.

    Trump is a symptom of America’s distrust with our elites. That distrust isn’t going anywhere and it’s largely deserved.

    I agree with how terrible it is that there are those with sympathy towards political violence on the right-wing of the American spectrum. But isn’t such support a dark and terrible echo of the left’s excusal of anti-fa and BLM riots?

     

    Is this worth listening to? I like Anne Applebaum’s books but feel that she’s gone TDS and can’t think straight if it has anything to do with him.

    I regretfully must say no. I am very unhappy with Trump at the moment and any buffoon that supports political violence but there is something about Trump that makes people go TDS. She speaks as though the left is blameless in their advocacy of conspiracy theories and political violence and that really irks me. I do however recommend this interview with Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson. The interview addresses the right-wing crazies without going overboard in my opinion.

     

     

     

     

    Thanks HC. I think I’ll pass on this one. It is disappointing since her Gulag and other books are very good. I even heard her speak in DC (pre-Trump). Sigh.

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