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  1. Lois Lane Coolidge

    Jonah’s point about the nobility of protecting the most vulnerable and least economically productive people in society is a very good one. The irony is that many of the older people that I know and work with are good at certain calculations, and I’m not actually sure they want all of these sacrifices on their behalf at the expense of their children. 

    David’s points about the $1,000 is good, too. While someone lives in a nice house, he/she does not necessarily have lots of savings. Also, many of those people are the business owners, and these businesses are being absolutely pummeled. A thousand dollars does not replace the income required to keep a restaurant or other business that cannot operate at a distance from the public afloat. I read a study that was published on Johns Hopkins website that showed almost 1 out of 5 Americans have lost their jobs or had their hours reduced. That’s almost 20%. That is petrifying. Many of those guys are in lower income levels, but the people who had to make the decision to lay them off are doing so purely because they have to do so. They are also just trying to stay afloat. 

    Sarah is right about resentment. We are all in a bad situation, and I’m not sure what I find scarier: the impact of the virus on real human beings or the impact of the virus on the economy.

    Steve is right about the long-term impact on the debt and the opportunism of emergency packages. He complements a lot of things Sarah said. In a weird way, I hope that this might not exacerbate polarization but prove to be the common enemy that brings people together. I will bet against Steve’s sentiments that this will make things worse, in part per the interesting statistics Sarah cited about Twitter earlier. Most Americans are not as ready to knife each other in the face as the pundit class is. Let’s go back to Jonah’s observation about the basic decency of the country.

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    • March 19, 2020, at 7:00 AM PDT
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  2. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    I don’t buy Jonah’s assertion that the Chinese communist government is afraid of the Chinese people. I was living in Beijing shortly after Tianmen. There were posters in the railway station showing mangled young student corpses after being run over by tanks with grim warnings to not ever try it again. There is nothing too awful that they are prepared to do to hold onto power.

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    • March 19, 2020, at 11:27 AM PDT
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  3. David Bryan Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I don’t buy Jonah’s assertion that the Chinese communist government is afraid of the Chinese people. I was living in Beijing shortly after Tianmen. There were posters in the railway station showing mangled young student corpses after being run over by tanks with grim warnings to not ever try it again. There is nothing too awful that they are prepared to do to hold onto power.

    Wow, Julia…I had no idea that the Chinese leaders were so callous.

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    • March 19, 2020, at 12:30 PM PDT
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  4. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I don’t buy Jonah’s assertion that the Chinese communist government is afraid of the Chinese people. I was living in Beijing shortly after Tianmen. There were posters in the railway station showing mangled young student corpses after being run over by tanks with grim warnings to not ever try it again. There is nothing too awful that they are prepared to do to hold onto power.

    I think that Jonah’s point is the fragility of tyrannical rule. The rulers impose their will by fear and threat, and they know that the people don’t like it. Jonah hypothesizes that the rulers worry that if they relax their oppression, the people will rise against them. I think that this is a sensible hypothesis.

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    • March 19, 2020, at 12:50 PM PDT
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  5. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I don’t buy Jonah’s assertion that the Chinese communist government is afraid of the Chinese people. I was living in Beijing shortly after Tianmen. There were posters in the railway station showing mangled young student corpses after being run over by tanks with grim warnings to not ever try it again. There is nothing too awful that they are prepared to do to hold onto power.

    I think that Jonah’s point is the fragility of tyrannical rule. The rulers impose their will by fear and threat, and they know that the people don’t like it. Jonah hypothesizes that the rulers worry that if they relax their oppression, the people will rise against them. I think that this is a sensible hypothesis.

    He said he believed the leaders are afraid of the people. I don’t think they are, anymore than a rancher is afraid of his cattle.

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    • March 19, 2020, at 3:30 PM PDT
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  6. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    I think David is way offbase. You have to win the battle to label the virus to then take the additional step to address China’s actual propaganda

    Our media and the Democrats think Republicans are the great threat. If they create the narrative that this is all Trump’s fault, you won’t get to address China on any platform because every talking point will be about Trump

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    • March 19, 2020, at 4:02 PM PDT
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  7. Architectus Coolidge

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):
    If they create the narrative that this is all Trump’s fault, you won’t get to address China on any platform because every talking point will be about Trump

    As always. For the umpteenth time, this is another case where pushing back, “fighting”, is warranted. Our side is always willing to cede the ground to be polite, then wonders why they are backed up against the wall in later debates when the narrative has been fixed. Will the NT contingent ever learn this lesson? Winning the argument is important when you are right, even if you sometimes have to be impolite to do so.

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    • March 19, 2020, at 7:05 PM PDT
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  8. Hank Rhody, Badgeless Bandito Contributor

    Alright Jonah, you’re on notice. Before you can use that line again I’d like to see some definitive rankings for Alabama gas station sushi.

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    • March 20, 2020, at 2:14 AM PDT
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