How much political peril is Donald Trump in? That may not be the right question. The right question might be: Shouldn’t this be a matter for the American people to decide in 2020 rather than Democrats in the House in 2019? This is what we discuss on the podcast today. Give a listen.

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  1. Jeff Hawkins Inactive
    Jeff Hawkins
    @JeffHawkins

    If they impeach Trump, they will try to impeach Pence, because he’s the beneficiary of Trump’s election and “he had to know something”

    If you think they’re just going to stop at Trump as some unique threat, you’re deluding yourself.

    Most of my left wing friends see no issue with the gamesmanship and don’t think they will be made to pay any cost as long as people like Noah and David French use pretzel logic to legitimize it.  Trump’s bad, but Pence will also be bad, and all of their appointments will be bad.

    It’s not a deep thoughtful analysis of systems and uses of power.  Authoritarianism is good just so long as they’re the authoritarians.

     

     

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  2. Daniel Sterman Inactive
    Daniel Sterman
    @DanielSterman

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    If they impeach Trump, they will try to impeach Pence, because he’s the beneficiary of Trump’s election and “he had to know something”

    If you think they’re just going to stop at Trump as some unique threat, you’re deluding yourself.

    Most of my left wing friends see no issue with the gamesmanship and don’t think they will be made to pay any cost as long as people like Noah and David French use pretzel logic to legitimize it. Trump’s bad, but Pence will also be bad, and all of their appointments will be bad.

    It’s not a deep thoughtful analysis of systems and uses of power. Authoritarianism is good just so long as they’re the authoritarians.

     

     

    If they impeach and remove Trump, it will by necessity be with the cooperation of Senate Republicans.

    If they then impeach Pence on the basis of “he had to know something” rather than evidence, Senate Republicans will not cooperate, and Pence will probably win reelection handily on the basis of Democratic overreach.

    Furthermore, the fact that Trump has not yet been impeached on any of the myriad scandals he has caused so far, many of which are not lacking at all for evidence, seems to indicate that the Democrats have more self-control than that. (Not much self-control, but enough to know that they can’t impeach on no evidence.)

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  3. Steven Iverson Member
    Steven Iverson
    @stevenIverson

    The Obama administration’s law-enforcement agencies pressured their Ukrainian counterparts to revive a dormant corruption investigation of Paul Manafort in the middle of the 2016 presidential election.

    http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/27/flashback-obama-admin-asked-ukraine-to-investigate-trump-campaign-manager-paul-manafort/

    Does this gang of Trump haters think Obama should have been impeached? I despise Obama but I don’t think he should have been impeached for that. Obama and many other presidents have abused their power far more seriously than Trump has by, for instance using the IRS against their enemies, attempting to prosecute their enemies (TR prosecuting Pulitzer for libel, FDR prosecuting Mellon for tax evasion).

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