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Not sure who said, but the statement about Trump voters knowing they have a gun to their head and that we resent the extortion was right on. The left, by the nature of their refusing to condemn the riots and refusing to try call for people to calm down, have showed they will win at any cost and don’t seem to care about the loss of life, liberty, and property for innocent people. They seem to consider it acceptable collateral damage.
Trying to find common ground is going to be very difficult in the future, when we can’t even count on leftists to condemn violence.
It’s shocking to me Noah is a Charlottesville truther. What an absolute scumbag. I’m done listening to this podcast and anything else he’s involved in until he recants that sick calumny.
Here are actual remarks by President Trump. The NYT interviewed (seven?) people who were there to protest the statues being removed and weren’t affiliated with the neo-Nazis. President Trump was 100% accurate.
“You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.”
It is gross for someone as allegedly well-informed as Noah to repeat this lie. Adios, Commentary.
Any one who participates in a rally organized by neo-Nazis or white nationalists is disgusting person.
Or Commies. Like BLM.
what if wrong with being a white nationalist? Is the problem nationalism of any kind? Nations around the world are frequently ethnic states. People identify with their people, their nation. It must be clear the US is no longer a united nation. But many people want a nation to identify with. What is disgusting about people seeing their ethnic identity as their nation?
There were people there to protest against the removal of the statues who were explicitly unaffiliated with the ne0-Nazis/white nationalists who also showed up. By this tortured logic, if any unsavory group shows up at a rally that entire rally is now Nazi-affiliated. I guess Biden is a Nazi since Richard Spencer endorsed him. A self-evidently ridiculous notion.
True. Big problem is Trump has shown himself terrible at dealing with political opponents. The violence and destruction will increase if Trump is reelected. If Democrats win they will have the authority at state and federal level to stop it. And will have a lot to lose if they do not.
I think VA was handled poorly by Trump but in terrible faith per his opponents. I don’t completely remember now, but I don’t believe all meetups that day were planned by Neo Nazis.
Saying what Fred says is like saying the people who show up to legitimately protest police brutality on any day the violence occurs in cities—which seems to be all days—are all horrible people who throw bricks at senior citizens and shoot retired sheriffs.
As for Noah… he remembers the small fragments that have been played over and over and over. That’s the point though. That’s what he was supposed to remember. I can’t completely keep it straight in my own mind now so many years later.
Still a really stupid thing for Trump to say and say badly.
This is my point. If you march with people carrying swastikas, you are at best, very stupid. At worst you don’t have a problem with Nazis.
If Biden went to a rally with Richard Spencer, then yes, he is a Nazi. Best idea is, don’t march alongside Nazis. I also believe that if you go to a protest and it becomes violent, you are endorsing that violence.
I normally always agree with @julieblaschke, but I really seem to recall there were separate protests that day.
If someone grabbed a torch and started marching with the Neo-Nazis, then… yeah. Totally. Guilty by association.
If someone showed up to a protest organized by some local Southern history types because they knew a statue was being torn down, and he/she wanted to register a different opinion about what should be done, is it their fault that Neo-Nazis were also there having a separate rally? I am not sure that is the same thing. (I seem to recall a history club flyer… a loose association of people from that area who had a long pattern of defending the public landscape, whereas the Richard Spencer thing was not home-town.)
Donald Trump’s great sin here was that he is an absolutely abysmal speaker about these sorts of topics, and he started his presidency with the taint of having made appeals to some… uh… not great people.
I mean, I did not vote for Donald Trump. When I heard the reports of what he said and saw how they were presented, my stomach got queasy. I couldn’t stand it. It was not hard for me to think he was giving a shout-out to some actual “deplorables.”
But when I stepped away from the framing (and my feelings) just a tiny bit and tried to view Trump’s words in full context without the bombast, I couldn’t conclude his intent was anywhere close to how it was presented.
Then there is this.
The thing is that people now seem to feel Southerners who have any truck for Robert E. Lee in 2020 are… like… Neo-Nazis, too, so there is no defendable group. This is strange to me as a daughter of the South, for even though I would never wear a Confederate flag on my clothes, I went to school with many, many, many people who did. It is beyond question that some were racists, but a lot weren’t. I mean… they just weren’t. For goodness sake. Those guys are not in their nineties now. I’m not even fifty.
It’s a cultural sea change in the South… but the South already had an “evolving heart” as Tim Scott said in his wonderful speech. The question of Southern heritage is, actually, suuuuuuupppppppper complicated.
Trump isn’t good with nuance. (That’s an understatement.) He just should have kept his mouth shut. But I don’t think Noah remembers what he was saying or how the media was framing the events or whatever exactly right.
Also, all those Neo-Nazis? They actually hate Trump. No one seems to acknowledge this. Ever. It’s weird.
as I recall it, the guys with the tiki torches were chanting “the jews will not replace us”. You take the targeting of the Jews out of that chant and you have a very profound statement. Kind of a plea, a cry of a people who fear greatly that they are being replaced and rendered without a country that needs them, values them, cares about their well being.
Here is the Prager University video about this topic — and they have to fight google/youtube censorship all the time.
I wasn’t sure about that the part which claims that part of Trump’s family are Orthodox Jews, but apparently there is also a group called Modern Orthodox Jews.
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Scott Adams brings this up often.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/21/scott_adams_brain-dead_race_hoaxer_joe_biden_is_the_biggest_%5BREDACTED%5D_in_america.html
He “thinks that Joe Biden citing the 2017 ‘fine people’ in Charlottesville ‘race hoax’ during his DNC acceptance speech disqualifies him from being the president…”
“Adams said ‘the fact that he based his campaign on being the guy of good character and the one who cares, while at the same time and in the same speech perpetuated the most divisive race hoax in American history — the fine people hoax,’ is disqualifying for Biden.”
“The ******* ‘fine people’ hoax is the tentpole hoax that makes stupid people who believe the fake news believe that it is all true. It is the only one they think they saw with their own eyes because it got edited. And because they’re sure that one’s true, it makes all the other hoaxes seem true, and it makes everyone who supports Trump look like ********.”
Adams apparently keeps a list of all the news organizations and people that have debunked the “fine people” hoax, but I don’t have time to search for the specific video.
It has been claimed that with that speech that Trump was essentially the first person to call out the violence of Antifa. I don’t know if that is true, but he might have been the first prominent person to call out the violence of Antifa.
And where is the violent Antifa now?
Apparently on that day in Charlottesville, Antifa was allowed to encourage people to run wild and to attack people after the police broke up the UniteTheRight rally. As stated, when heavily armed far-Left psychopaths are marching around looking for people to attack, there will probably be violence and this includes attacking people in cars as the “protesters” were chasing and attacking several cars. Apparently video evidence shows that the driver that killed a person in Charlottesville was set upon by a mob wielding bats, who smashed his back windows, and would presumably have smashed his skull had he not backed out quickly.
A year before this in 2016, law professor Glenn Reynolds was temporarily banned from Twitter for tweeting out “run them down” regarding a similar situation. This event eventually initiated him to leave twitter — “I don’t see why I should provide content to a platform that will shut me down without notice.”
I don’t know if all of this is completely true, but that is apparently part of the other side of the story.
If it’s any consolation Noah was all in on the Trump/Russia collusion nonsense from the start as well.
Never apologize for being perfectly wrong no matter how perfectly wrong Noah is proven to be, just move onto the next truthee Trump is Bad Leftist narrative and don’t look back.
Noah can play the overly confident smart guy on TV, but history has proven Noah to be consistently talking out of his ahrse … with total confidence of course.
The thing is, if I went to protest statues being torn down and saw a bunch of Nazis right next to our group. I’d turn around and leave immediately.
Noah is wrong here and Trump didn’t mean it the way the media spun it, but it takes paragraphs of Trump ‘splaining to get to what he was trying to say. It shouldn’t. But hey, the Democrats have persuaded me to vote for him. The alternative is worse than Hillary.
Except there was explicit targeting of Jews and I don’t need, value or care about their well being because of that.
You and me, sistah!
That’s exactly what was meant with we resent being held hostage. The violence is almost entirely on the left, and that that is not from the left is merely a reaction to leftist violence.
Trump might not be great with dealing with his political opponents, but to my knowledge he has not burnt their property, stolen their property, beat them up, or killed any of them. Not being nice or even saying mean things is nothing compared to actual violence.
Why can Democrats march with Commies, but Republicans can’t march with Nazis?
Commies are a much bigger threat in the current world than Nazis are.
I say condemn both. I don’t like either.
They can’t as far as I’m concerned.
Funny no one challenged Noah on the Charlottesville lie. Was shocked that he believes it!