The New York Times reports that the FBI opened an investigation into Donald Trump’s personal ties to Russia under dubious circumstances. Does this demonstrate the truth in the claims made by the president’s defenders about the arrogance and recklessness of the permanent bureaucracy? And, as this becomes the longest government shutdown in history, is anyone “winning” the messaging?

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  1. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    Sometimes I wonder if Trump had no choice but to go along with his Republican Administration’s harder line on Russia policy. Imagine if he had been soft on Putin with policy as well as words! He’d probably have been impeached and removed by now!

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  2. DanielSterman Inactive
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    It’s also worth noting: What if Putin doesn’t care as much about his personal finances as we think he does? He’s almost certainly a billionaire regardless of how much money the sanctions keep out of his hands. Maybe he’s perfectly okay with the US implementing the Magnitsky Act as much as it wants, so long as Trump also weakens NATO enough for him to keep hold of the Crimea.

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  3. Jager Coolidge
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    At the end of this Noah’s makes a completely disengenuos statement that 2 government shutdowns with Republican control shows Republicans can not govern.

    obamacare could not be repealed/ replaced despite unified Republican control of the government because we did not have 60 votes in the senate. That is just how the system works was the old argument.

    Now the inability to pass legislation without 60 votes in the Senate is proof the Republicans can’t govern? I wish there was a little more internal consistency to the critique of the Republicans from center-right thinkers 

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  4. EDISONPARKS Member
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    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    It’s also worth noting: What if Putin doesn’t care as much about his personal finances as we think he does? He’s almost certainly a billionaire regardless of how much money the sanctions keep out of his hands. Maybe he’s perfectly okay with the US implementing the Magnitsky Act as much as it wants, so long as Trump also weakens NATO enough for him to keep hold of the Crimea.

    The Russians did in fact invade and occupy Crimea in March  of 2014, taking your analysis to it’s logical conclusion, Barack Obama must be an agent of Putin and the Russian government.  Was NATO working on behalf of Russia too?

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  5. DanielSterman Inactive
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    The Russians did in fact invade and occupy Crimea in March of 2014, taking your analysis to it’s logical conclusion, Barack Obama must be an agent of Putin and the Russian government. Was NATO working on behalf of Russia too?

    What in Bob’s name are you talking about?

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  6. EDISONPARKS Member
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    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    The Russians did in fact invade and occupy Crimea in March of 2014, taking your analysis to it’s logical conclusion, Barack Obama must be an agent of Putin and the Russian government. Was NATO working on behalf of Russia too?

    What in Bob’s name are you talking about?

    If Trump can  somehow be responsible for Putin to “keep hold of the Crimea”, then what was the responsibility of those who were in the White House at the time of the actual Russian invasion of Crimea?

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  7. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    The Russians did in fact invade and occupy Crimea in March of 2014, taking your analysis to it’s logical conclusion, Barack Obama must be an agent of Putin and the Russian government. Was NATO working on behalf of Russia too?

    What in Bob’s name are you talking about?

    If Trump can somehow be responsible for Putin to “keep hold of the Crimea”, then what was the responsibility of those who were in the White House at the time of the actual Russian invasion of Crimea?

    Oh Obama sucks too.

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  8. EDISONPARKS Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    The Russians did in fact invade and occupy Crimea in March of 2014, taking your analysis to it’s logical conclusion, Barack Obama must be an agent of Putin and the Russian government. Was NATO working on behalf of Russia too?

    What in Bob’s name are you talking about?

    If Trump can somehow be responsible for Putin to “keep hold of the Crimea”, then what was the responsibility of those who were in the White House at the time of the actual Russian invasion of Crimea?

    Oh Obama sucks too.

    Sucks or a Russian agent?

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  9. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Sucks or a Russian agent?

    Probably just sucks, just as Trump sucks, but who knows? He was very chummy with old Vladimir.

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