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  1. filmklassik Member

    I fear John may be underestimating the extent to which Young America (white, black, Latino, what have you) is in sympathy with far Left “woke” politics.

    The Squat (I refuse to call them “The Squad”) is tapping into a very real and burgeoning political current right now. Christine (and, to a lesser extent, Noah) seems to have a firm grasp of what John is unable (or unwilling) to notice.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 2:16 PM PDT
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  2. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    The Saturn V is an awesome machine. It was built at government direction – but by dozens private companies as prime contractors, hundreds of others as subcontractors. 400 000 people, across the country worked on the space program. It was a real embodiment of American will but also an industrial development policy and a jobs program.

    The future of space flight is privately financed, as you’ve pointed out NASA’s funding is highly variable and tied to public support in ways that other government endeavors are not. I believe NASA should be the purchaser of launch services and products and not the designer or assembler of launchers or even probes. In this way, NASA’s budget could be stretched much further and could actually do more science with its existing budget. Imagine if NASA hadnt wasted the last 10 years and $20 billion on the SLS launcher – that still has not flown – and will not fly its first test flight until at least 2021, 17 Years(!) in development. (SLS, was renamed and salvaged from the constellation program which started in 2004) by the time its done, SLS development will cost more than $35 Billion dollars.

    While this might be viewed with jealousy by those that cant afford to fly on these kind of adventures, I dont think it would be a major driver of new class divisions. Why not have a seat lottery? People who could not otherwise afford spaceflight could buy a lottery ticket. (lets say for $100 – so still not cheap) In this manner dozens of “ordinary” people could fly and it would ease the class tensions.

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    • July 18, 2019, at 4:04 PM PDT
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  3. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    I fear John may be underestimating the extent to which Young America (white, black, Latino, what have you) is in sympathy with far Left “woke” politics.

    So agree, they think it’s capitalism’s fault they’re not affluent, and think the way to make everyone well off is to take from those doing better.

    A large swath of this not the “underclass” it’s the middle class who think they should be able to have the same lifestyle in large cities (see “student debt”) that then co-opt the language and cause of the underclass

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    • July 19, 2019, at 8:49 AM PDT
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  4. filmklassik Member

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    I fear John may be underestimating the extent to which Young America (white, black, Latino, what have you) is in sympathy with far Left “woke” politics.

    So agree, they think it’s capitalism’s fault they’re not affluent, and think the way to make everyone well off is to take from those doing better.

    A large swath of this not the “underclass” it’s the middle class who think they should be able to have the same lifestyle in large cities (see “student debt”) that then co-opt the language and cause of the underclass

    Sorry. Not true. Their first concern is no longer economic. That’s a fallacy many people are still making (“It all comes down to money, my friend” etc.) Don’t be one of them. The divide used to be based on class and money above all else, but no longer. The battle between Left and Right is now primarily based on Identity — and particularly Race.

    The Left has lost its ever lovin’ mind where Race is concerned. And Conservatives ignore this new secular religion at their peril.

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    • July 20, 2019, at 12:15 PM PDT
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  5. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    The hysterical overreaction to the “send her back” chant makes it very difficult to proceed. I think that it was Rothman talking, though it might have been Greenwald. It’s not dangerous, it’s not talk about actual forced deportation. It’s a joke and a rhetorical device directed against a quite horrid and ungrateful immigrant Congresswoman.

    I am really trying to listen to reasonable voices like these guys (and gal), but this type of absurdity makes it very difficult. It buys in to the silly “woke” arguments of the Left, which I think these fine Commentary folks are going to be criticizing later on.

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    • July 22, 2019, at 10:14 AM PDT
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  6. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Nope. Can’t do it. I can’t listen to this nonsense.

    Don’t accuse Trump, guys. Rothman (I think) just referred to folks like me as something like “whipped up into a lizard-brain frenzy.”

    That’s full woke hysteria, and slander to boot.

    Please stop it, guys.

    Someone please tell me when the Commentary folks return to reason. I really used to enjoy listening to them. I am not a lizard-brained idiot under Trumpian mind-control, and I’m not going to listen to people who tell me that I am.

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    • July 22, 2019, at 10:18 AM PDT
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  7. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    I fear John may be underestimating the extent to which Young America (white, black, Latino, what have you) is in sympathy with far Left “woke” politics.

    So agree, they think it’s capitalism’s fault they’re not affluent, and think the way to make everyone well off is to take from those doing better.

    A large swath of this not the “underclass” it’s the middle class who think they should be able to have the same lifestyle in large cities (see “student debt”) that then co-opt the language and cause of the underclass

    Sorry. Not true. Their first concern is no longer economic. That’s a fallacy many people are still making (“It all comes down to money, my friend” etc.) Don’t be one of them. The divide used to be based on class and money above all else, but no longer. The battle between Left and Right is now primarily based on Identity — and particularly Race.

    The Left has lost its ever lovin’ mind where Race is concerned. And Conservatives ignore this new secular religion at their peril.

    No, I’m even more cynical. White liberals have folded the race concerns with their own economic ones and using it as a shield. Home ownership/rent control, college debt, entry level salaries in big cities, etc.

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    • July 22, 2019, at 10:46 AM PDT
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  8. filmklassik Member

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    I fear John may be underestimating the extent to which Young America (white, black, Latino, what have you) is in sympathy with far Left “woke” politics.

    So agree, they think it’s capitalism’s fault they’re not affluent, and think the way to make everyone well off is to take from those doing better.

    A large swath of this not the “underclass” it’s the middle class who think they should be able to have the same lifestyle in large cities (see “student debt”) that then co-opt the language and cause of the underclass

    Sorry. Not true. Their first concern is no longer economic. That’s a fallacy many people are still making (“It all comes down to money, my friend” etc.) Don’t be one of them. The divide used to be based on class and money above all else, but no longer. The battle between Left and Right is now primarily based on Identity — and particularly Race.

    The Left has lost its ever lovin’ mind where Race is concerned. And Conservatives ignore this new secular religion at their peril.

    No, I’m even more cynical. White liberals have folded the race concerns with their own economic ones and using it as a shield. Home ownership/rent control, college debt, entry level salaries in big cities, etc.

    Sorry, but that’s not cynical, it is seeing only part of the whole picture — and the smallest part, to boot. I’m not sure you fully appreciate the extent to which the Left is animated by Race, Gender and Sexuality. It is absolutely astonishing.

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    • July 22, 2019, at 11:01 AM PDT
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  9. filmklassik Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Nope. Can’t do it. I can’t listen to this nonsense.

    Don’t accuse Trump, guys. Rothman (I think) just referred to folks like me as something like “whipped up into a lizard-brain frenzy.”

    That’s full woke hysteria, and slander to boot.

    Please stop it, guys.

    Someone please tell me when the Commentary folks return to reason. I really used to enjoy listening to them. I am not a lizard-brained idiot under Trumpian mind-control, and I’m not going to listen to people who tell me that I am.

    Well, one can recognize the idiocy and destructiveness of the“woke” identity politics contingent and assign them a toxicity rating of 9.3, while also recognizing the idiocy of Trump’s “I can shoot a guy on 5th Avenue!” support base (and assign them a toxicity rating of 6.9).

    Two things can be true at once — one gross, and one evil.

    I’m not sure why you’d object to the intellectual honesty of being mindful of both of them.

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    • July 22, 2019, at 11:08 AM PDT
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  10. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Nope. Can’t do it. I can’t listen to this nonsense.

    Don’t accuse Trump, guys. Rothman (I think) just referred to folks like me as something like “whipped up into a lizard-brain frenzy.”

    That’s full woke hysteria, and slander to boot.

    Please stop it, guys.

    Someone please tell me when the Commentary folks return to reason. I really used to enjoy listening to them. I am not a lizard-brained idiot under Trumpian mind-control, and I’m not going to listen to people who tell me that I am.

    Well, one can recognize the idiocy and destructiveness of the“woke” identity politics contingent and assign them a toxicity rating of 9.3, while also recognizing the idiocy of Trump’s “I can shoot a guy on 5th Avenue!” support base (and assign them a toxicity rating of 6.9).

    Two things can be true at once — one gross, and one evil.

    I’m not sure why you’d object to the intellectual honesty of being mindful of both of them.

    I object to being called “lizard-brained.” It’s quite a turn-off.

    I have no problem with commentator who object to the President’s excesses, within reason. Andrew Klavan is the best example; Jonah Goldberg usually keeps the hysteria in check. These guys are too much for me, which I find unfortunate, because I used to like this podcast and would like to hear their thoughtful criticisms on the “wokeness” issue.

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    • July 22, 2019, at 1:02 PM PDT
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  11. filmklassik Member

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Nope. Can’t do it. I can’t listen to this nonsense.

    Don’t accuse Trump, guys. Rothman (I think) just referred to folks like me as something like “whipped up into a lizard-brain frenzy.”

    That’s full woke hysteria, and slander to boot.

    Please stop it, guys.

    Someone please tell me when the Commentary folks return to reason. I really used to enjoy listening to them. I am not a lizard-brained idiot under Trumpian mind-control, and I’m not going to listen to people who tell me that I am.

    Well, one can recognize the idiocy and destructiveness of the“woke” identity politics contingent and assign them a toxicity rating of 9.3, while also recognizing the idiocy of Trump’s “I can shoot a guy on 5th Avenue!” support base (and assign them a toxicity rating of 6.9).

    Two things can be true at once — one gross, and one evil.

    I’m not sure why you’d object to the intellectual honesty of being mindful of both of them.

    I object to being called “lizard-brained.” It’s quite a turn-off.

    I have no problem with commentator who object to the President’s excesses, within reason. Andrew Klavan is the best example; Jonah Goldberg usually keeps the hysteria in check. These guys are too much for me, which I find unfortunate, because I used to like this podcast and would like to hear their thoughtful criticisms on the “wokeness” issue.

    Klavan can’t seem to talk about Trump’s shortcomings anymore without laughing — as if to say “What a scamp!”

    He used to be able to, once upon a time, up until a few months before the 2016 election. After that … something happened. And now all of his Trump criticism comes couched in “Heh, heh. Oh, Donald — you’re such a character!”-style laughing. It’s very strange.

    I have no problem with Conservatives who rip into Trump something fierce so long as they’re also able to do the same with the Left.

    The Commentary crew fits the bill. They’ll go after Trump with machetes (which I don’t mind in the least) without sparing the crazies on the Left .

    Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger, on the other hand, were unable to be equal opportunity critics. They could happily rip into the Right, (and did) but in the last few months of Need to Know, they seemed reluctant to go “gloves off” with the Left. Bizarre.

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    • July 23, 2019, at 12:49 AM PDT
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