The Left’s War on Science

​City Journal associate editor Matthew Hennessey and contributing editor John Tierney discuss the politicization of science and how the Left’s dominance in universities and the scientific community actually threatens progress.

Read John Tierney’s article from the Autumn 2016 Issue of City Journal, The Real War on Science.

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  1. Henry Castaigne Member
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    I’m super interested in what anonymous thinks about this.

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  2. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    The big difference, it seems, is that people on the right tend to want to limit government’s involvement in their lives – both at home and on the job, while those on the left want government involved in every detail of our lives.  Therefore, conservative and libertarian views on this or that scientific issue is not automatically jammed into politics, while the same is not true for the left’s views.  To people who believe that everything is political, science is just politics by another name.

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  3. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Im curious to find what the 5 genetic races are and a decent laymans description.

    Wikipedia is not helpful here.

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  4. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    ToryWarWriter:Im curious to find what the 5 genetic races are and a decent laymans description.

    Nicolas Wade discusses it at length in Before the Dawn. Essentially, it means human populations that were isolated from each other tens of thousands of years, and roughly corresponds to the continents (there are several different ways to cut it; doesn’t really matter). Relevant section:

    Human evolution did not halt in the distant past but has continued to the present day. The ancestral human population of 50,000 years ago differed greatly from the anatomically modern humans of 100,000 years ago, and people today have had just as long to evolve away from the ancestral population. The human genome bears many marks of recent evolution, prompted by adaptations to events such as cultural changes or new diseases.

    More visible evidence of recent evolution is the existence of human races. After the dispersal of the ancestral population from Africa 50,000 years ago, human evolution continued independently in each continent. The populations of the world’s major geographical regions bred for many thousand years in substantial isolation from each other and started to develop distinctive features, a genetic differentiation which is the basis for today’s races [though]… these separate evolutionary paths were to some extent parallel as people in different continents responded to the same challenges.

     

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  5. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    As always, it’s more complicated than that. First, there’s a lot of diversity to be found within these groups: there are short Danes and tall Koreans, etc. The groups, however, are usefully predictive in several ways as there are, for instance, no natural Korean blondes. And taking people’s race into account is non-controversial in making medical diagnoses.

    Second, Africa is kind of weird, and there is apparently more genetic variation among sub-Saharan Africans (as group) than between them as a group and other populations. For a weird analogy from a good piece I highly recommend:

    Genetically speaking, all vertebrates are fish. There is much greater genetic variation within the fish clade than there is between fish and other vertebrates. Land dwelling vertebrates represent a tiny twig on the vast fish genetic tree.

    In the exact same way, there is much more genetic variation within Africans, then between Africans an all other human populations. This simply reflects the fact that humans lived in Africa for a long time, evolving extensive genetic diversity, and the population that migrated out of African represents a tiny twig on the African genetic tree. We are all Africans in the exact same way that we are all fish.

    As some commentators pointed out in that post’s comments, “fish” is kind of arbitrary itself, but that’s sort of besides the point. Any time you’re dealing with scientific classification, you’re going to get arbitrary delineations and that just comes with the territory.

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  6. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Second, Africa is kind of weird, and there is apparently more genetic variation among sub-Saharan Africans (as group) than between them as a group and other populations. For a weird analogy from a good piece I highly recommend:

    If Sub-Saharan Africans are genetically weird, then wouldn’t they count as a separate race?

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  7. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    Henry Castaigne:

    If Sub-Saharan Africans are genetically weird, then wouldn’t they count as a separate race?

    I should have been clearer, but that’s not quite what I was getting at.

    First, my point was that Africa is weird compared to the other continents this context. This is for two reasons:

    1. Due to the size and extent of the Sahara, you really have two very distinct ethnic/racial groups within the continent. In general, Northern Africans (i.e., the Arab countries along the Mediterranean) are not considered Africans in this context.
    2. Humanity spent more time in Africa than it has anywhere else and the genetic variation among (sub-Saharan) Africans is disproportionally large. Essentially, you have several “continents’ worth” of genetic diversity within sub-Saharan Africa.

    Also, it’s worth noting that race — while real — often doesn’t admit itself to clear lines. There’s endless argumentation among biologists as to whether two groups of animals constitute two closely-related species or two subspecies beginning to separate. Race is even more difficult this way.

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  8. Henry Castaigne Member
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    ToryWarWriter:Im curious to find what the 5 genetic races are and a decent laymans description.

    Wikipedia is not helpful here.

    At first there was the African race. Than that split into into the people who left Southern Africa and those who stayed. Then the the out of Africans split into the Caucasian race and the Asian race. The Aborigines of Australia and and the Native American people also became different races because they didn’t breed with the other races. Indians and Arabs are actually part of the Caucasian race.

    Some groups are mixed. African-Americans and Ethiopians for example are a mix of African and Caucasian. Finns and Jews are sub races of the Caucasian race like the Japanese are a sub race of the East Asian race. How’s that?

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