Back in 1998, the former independent counsel Ken Starr saw House Republicans use his report to impeach Bill Clinton. Now, he’s watching the House race to impeachment again, this time under Democrats and in a very different way. Amid much Republican complaining, do Democrats have the authority to conduct impeachment as they are conducting it? Is it constitutional? Unconstitutional? Anti-constitutional? Plus: Is this the what-goes-around-comes-around impeachment?

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  1. Arahant Member

    Excellent show. Good guest.

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    • October 28, 2019, at 6:35 AM PDT
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  2. Max Ledoux Admin

    Good conversation, but I wish Starr had elaborated on why he thought Trump’s conversation with Zelensky was inappropriate. I literally don’t understand what the problem with it is.

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    • October 28, 2019, at 5:57 PM PDT
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  3. FredGoodhue Coolidge

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Good conversation, but I wish Starr had elaborated on why he thought Trump’s conversation with Zelensky was inappropriate. I literally don’t understand what the problem with it is.

    The President is accused of extorting a foreign leader to provide dirt on a political opponent. The leverage is from his powers as President. He had just got through a long investigation for “collusion” with a foreign power to get dirt on a political opponent. He’s bullheaded and just does things regardless of consequences.

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    • October 29, 2019, at 1:34 AM PDT
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  4. Jdetente Member

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Good conversation, but I wish Starr had elaborated on why he thought Trump’s conversation with Zelensky was inappropriate. I literally don’t understand what the problem with it is.

    More than anything else it was unwise. 

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    • October 29, 2019, at 10:35 AM PDT
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  5. Max Ledoux Admin

    Jdetente (View Comment):
    More than anything else it was unwise. 

    Again, why?

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):
    The President is accused of extorting a foreign leader to provide dirt on a political opponent.

    Yeah, I read the transcript. That didn’t happen.

     

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    • October 29, 2019, at 12:17 PM PDT
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  6. Jdetente Member

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):
    More than anything else it was unwise.

    Again, why?

    Because it is very simple for the press and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) to spin the Biden side of that conversation into an implicit quid pro quo. If Trump were a little more self-aware he could avoid these unforced errors. They are going to impeach him because of the call. Maybe it will benefit him in the long run with the base…but he is walking the high wire.

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    • October 29, 2019, at 12:32 PM PDT
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  7. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):
    More than anything else it was unwise.

    Again, why?

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):
    The President is accused of extorting a foreign leader to provide dirt on a political opponent.

    Yeah, I read the transcript. That didn’t happen.

     

    It’s wrong and impeachable because the really, really “smart” people have decreed it to be so.

    Disregard every other far more egregious presidential action in prior administrations where the notion of impeachment never entered the conversation, the powers that be have declared an improper invocation of a quid pro quo by Trump which was never carried out is grounds to be removed from office.

    Never mind the quid Trump invoked was an investigation of the publicly admitted, even more blatant quid pro quo, committed by a political rival which was actually acted upon by both parties to the quid pro quo.(ie: Biden did in fact withhold the $1 Billion in US aid until the Ukraine fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma) … The Biden quid pro quo transaction actually occurred, the Trump quid pro quo never came to pass.

    Therefore we must impeach …. get it now?

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    • October 30, 2019, at 9:30 AM PDT
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  8. Jdetente Member

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jdetente (View Comment):
    More than anything else it was unwise.

    Again, why?

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):
    The President is accused of extorting a foreign leader to provide dirt on a political opponent.

    Yeah, I read the transcript. That didn’t happen.

     

    It’s wrong and impeachable because the really, really “smart” people have decreed it to be so.

    Disregard every other far more egregious presidential action in prior administrations where the notion of impeachment never entered the conversation, the powers that be have declared an improper invocation of a quid pro quo by Trump which was never carried out is grounds to be removed from office.

    Never mind the quid Trump invoked was an investigation of the publicly admitted, even more blatant quid pro quo, committed by a political rival which was actually acted upon by both parties to the quid pro quo.(ie: Biden did in fact withhold the $1 Billion in US aid until the Ukraine fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma) … The Biden quid pro quo transaction actually occurred, the Trump quid pro quo never came to pass.

    Therefore we must impeach …. get it now?

    I just want to reiterate that it was unwise (not wrong). I wouldn’t want to impeach for this…but why play that game and give spin to your enemies? It was not a good move, especially when you know there are leaks in the White House. It may work out but it is a dangerous game.

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    • October 30, 2019, at 4:27 PM PDT
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