Gen-Xer host Teri Christoph is joined by millennial Gracy Olmstead, associate managing editor of TheFederalist.com, to talk all things Gilmore Girls revival. Who is Rory’s true love? Why is Lorelei so emotionally stunted? And why is it Teri just doesn’t get Paris? All that and much, much more!

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  1. Profile photo of terichristoph Coolidge

    I was so happy to find this picture, which pays homage to our fearless leader. #exjonning

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    • December 6, 2016 at 9:11 am
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  2. Profile photo of Matt Bartle Member

    Looking forward to listening to this – my wife and I binge-watched the 4 new episodes over Thanksgiving weekend.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 10:49 am
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  3. Profile photo of Majestyk Thatcher

    I think a larger discussion of the Gilmore Girls overall might be in order.

    I found the default presumption of bien pensant liberalism amongst the “good” characters to be obnoxious. Rory’s constant pining after Christiane Amanpour was practically gag-inducing. Various other bits are inserted into set dressing and dialogue almost subliminally (a Planned Parenthood poster in Rory’s Yale dorm room, for instance) and all of the characters that you are meant to despise are generally Conservatives or Republicans. Taylor is an obnoxious greed-bag. The elder Gilmores are wealthy, conservative, staid plutocrats.

    Lorelai is freewheeling and lives a whimsical life of bouncing between various men – men, who are such pansies or moral cowards that they put up with Lorelai’s emotional immaturity and inability to commit for far longer any sane person would tolerate.

    She is the quintessential second-wave feminist. She has a child on her own, makes her own way, is an entrepreneur and keeps men as some might a pet – as a luxury. All of the various feminist wishes and pathologies are played out in her – she fears commitment, despises her parents for the fact of their wealth and influence over her life (and the fact that she needs them in order to actualize her dreams for Rory) and for the fact that they have the unmitigated gall to be married and frequently allied against her.

    Life in Stars Hollow is idealized. It exists in a bubble of unreality, kind of like Brigadoon. There’s all of the local flavor but none of the pathologies that come from rural life. There aren’t empty and shuttered storefronts next door to Doose’s Market. There are no strung-out meth-heads living in the trailer-park down the street whose resentful and aggressive kids go to the high school to annoy book-worm Rory.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 12:19 pm
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  4. Profile photo of terichristoph Coolidge

    Majestyk:I think a larger discussion of the Gilmore Girls overall might be in order.

    I like the way you think! We should have you on as a guest. Gracy and I did touch a little bit on the political aspect. I want to think there’s a great prolife message in there (Lorelei chose life for her child, after all), but Amy Sherman Palladino did an interview with TVLine.com (I think?) that pretty much debunked that idea. Such a wonderful show, even if the creators feel the need to let their liberalism show.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm
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    terichristoph:

    Majestyk:I think a larger discussion of the Gilmore Girls overall might be in order.

    I like the way you think! We should have you on as a guest. Gracy and I did touch a little bit on the political aspect. I want to think there’s a great prolife message in there (Lorelei chose life for her child, after all), but Amy Sherman Palladino did an interview with TVLine.com (I think?) that pretty much debunked that idea. Such a wonderful show, even if the creators feel the need to let their liberalism show.

    At its core, Gilmore Girls is a show about relationships. It just comes in a wrapper of the writers’ choosing which happens to be default leftism, along with all of its attendant assumptions about life. They also choose some dysfunctional relationships to focus on – but you can’t have a TV show about normal people with normal relationships. That’s boring. Everybody can just talk to their own mother to get that sort of thing, so the situations are turned up to 11 on the absurd-o-meter in order to generate contrast.

    Obviously, if Rory hadn’t been born, there wouldn’t be much of a show to discuss at all, so the notion that the show is “pro-life” in some sense doesn’t wash too well with me. It was just a device that they needed to employ in order to set up the premise of the show, which is: What if your Mom was also your best friend and also almost the same age as you? The number of times we see Lorelai act as a Mother to Rory in the “bring you to heel” sense is practically nonexistent. Rory is the preternaturally gifted wunderkind and too-perfect clone of her Mother’s capabilities and at times, even her choices; choices which her Mother – with her ruinous sense of aggrievement towards her parents – frequently indulges.

    The dialogue in the show is witty though and it makes for good conversation fodder.

    Now, keep in mind, I bought my wife the complete series as a Christmas gift and asked her to marry me on that same day I gave it to her. Of the ring and the show, I know which one got me the nod.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 12:51 pm
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  6. Profile photo of Sash Member

    The show demonstrates the folly of default liberalism. The vacuousness of it.

    The only female character who is not trapped by it is Emily. Lorelei is too selfish to give up anything to make Rory’s life succeed. She is too selfish to marry and put anyone’s needs above her or even equal to her own.

    Rory suffers badly from her upbringing in my opinion. What a sad little life she makes for herself. She has the best education and likely a trust fund, yet she has no direction, no measure of success at all, no one matters to her at 31. That is less of a life than Lorelei was given.

    Lorelei almost always treated her parents horribly, and inexplicably. They didn’t reject her, Lorelei judged and rejected her parents, who had a lot to offer, which Rory seemed able to accept, but still used Lorelei’s failure as the blueprint, never putting anything ahead of her selfishness.

    Emily grows. Lorelei doesn’t, Rory still has time. But Rory’s rejection of marriage to a man she apparently understood too late she actually did love enough to make last… trapped her in a vagabond meaningless life.

    Depending on Rory’s future choices, Lorelei’s blueprint may continue to do more harm to future generations than anything Emily ever did to Lorelei.

    Lorelei is one of the worst characters in literature. So selfish she ruins everyone around her.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 1:33 pm
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  7. Profile photo of Matt Bartle Member

    This is why we started watching Gilmore Girls when it was on the air: I was flipping around the channels looking for something to watch, and came upon this scene:

    I was amused by it and told my wife we should watch this. So we bought the DVD’s to catch up and watched it the rest of the way. I enjoyed the dialog. And the idea that there was this town where they still held town meetings to discuss the issues they faced. Also Luke was sympathetic, and there were a number of other quirky characters for comic relief if Lorelei’s life was in crisis, which it always was (because why else have the show?). I agree they were awfully hard on their parents, who after all were paying for everything.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 2:12 pm
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  8. Profile photo of Matt Bartle Member

    * ** Spoilers ***

    I agree that Rory’s aimlessness and questionable morals in the new shows was a disappointment and seemed out of place. As did Lorelei’s sudden trip to go hiking – where did that come from? The first review I read of the new shows said that it might have been a mistake to have them run for 90 minutes. Maybe 60 would have been enough and been tighter, rather than padding them with musical numbers and other things.

    Honestly, my biggest disappointment was that after some false starts Rory finally decided what to write, and it was – TA DA! – Gilmore Girls. I hate that device. It’s been done. Didn’t The Player end like that? The only place it’s been used well was the end of Burn Notice.

    I was impressed at how much of the old gang they got together – everyone I could think of was there. It was fun to revisit the town and see them all, even if the episodes weren’t perfect.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 6:06 pm
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  9. Profile photo of terichristoph Coolidge

    Sash:The show demonstrates the folly of default liberalism. The vacuousness of it.

    The only female character who is not trapped by it is Emily. Lorelei is too selfish to give up anything to make Rory’s life succeed. She is too selfish to marry and put anyone’s needs above her or even equal to her own.

    Lorelei is one of the worst characters in literature. So selfish she ruins everyone around her.

    Emily’s storyline was wonderful! She really grew as a person, and it was lovely to watch. Lorelei frustrates me no end. There’s no reason at all for her growth to be so stunted. God bless Luke for always being there for her.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 6:50 pm
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    Matt Bartle:* ** Spoilers ***

    I agree that Rory’s aimlessness and questionable morals in the new shows was a disappointment and seemed out of place. As did Lorelei’s sudden trip to go hiking – where did that come from? The first review I read of the new shows said that it might have been a mistake to have them run for 90 minutes. Maybe 60 would have been enough and been tighter, rather than padding them with musical numbers and other things.

    Honestly, my biggest disappointment was that after some false starts Rory finally decided what to write, and it was – TA DA! – Gilmore Girls. I hate that device. It’s been done. Didn’t The Player end like that? The only place it’s been used well was the end of Burn Notice.

    I was impressed at how much of the old gang they got together – everyone I could think of was there. It was fun to revisit the town and see them all, even if the episodes weren’t perfect.

    Any Gilmore Girls is good Gilmore Girls! Except when it involves a musical. What the heck was that all about??

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    • December 6, 2016 at 6:52 pm
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  11. Profile photo of Guruforhire Member

    My wife rewatched the entire series and lorelai and rory are legitimately terrible people.

    The men are weak and ineffectual losers.

    The only character worth a damn was richard gilmore. I liked him a lot.

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    • December 6, 2016 at 9:08 pm
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  12. Profile photo of Matt Bartle Member

    terichristoph: Except when it involves a musical.

    Honestly, I thought the musical was hilarious, even though it seemed more like filler than anything that advanced the plot.

    I think a good point was brought up in the podcast, that some of this was probably conceived for season 7, but wound up here because that was the only place left to use it.

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    • December 7, 2016 at 5:34 am
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    Matt Bartle:

    terichristoph: Except when it involves a musical.

    Honestly, I thought the musical was hilarious, even though it seemed more like filler than anything that advanced the plot.

    I think a good point was brought up in the podcast, that some of this was probably conceived for season 7, but wound up here because that was the only place left to use it.

    So much filler!!

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    • December 7, 2016 at 10:53 am
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  14. Profile photo of Eeyore Member

    terichristoph:I was so happy to find this picture, which pays homage to our fearless leader. #exjonning

    Okay, I’ve been on Ricochet too long. No way I buy that this isn’t @exjon or @ejhill. Or maaaaybe, those Gilmores have a thing for the dashing Mr. Gabriel.

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    • December 7, 2016 at 8:08 pm
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  15. Profile photo of Brian Clendinen Member

    Season 4 season with Dean ruined the show for me but I did not mind it as much later. However it actually makes a lot of sense a Child born out of wedlock repeating the cycle. I actually liked how they slowed down the show in paces. However you are right the musical numbers of the street performers was boring and I forwarded it.

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    • December 11, 2016 at 12:35 am
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