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  1. Profile photo of Vectorman Thatcher

    Thanks supreme wordsmith Klavan for your comments on Richard III.

    I had to read it in High School, see the movie, and submit a paper. In the paper, I argued that Richard III didn’t meet all the requirements of an Aristotelian Tragedy. He wasn’t a tragic hero like Oedipus, who (accidently) killed his father, married his mother, plucked his eyes out. Richard III shouldn’t have kill his nephews, etc. Got a very bad grade from that progressive teacher, who said “that’s what I was taught in school” – i.e., argument by authority.

    On the web, others somewhat agree with me:

    Are you supposed to feel sorry for him? Not really. Remember, Richard III was overthrown by Henry Tudor, Queen Elizabeth I’s grandfather. I don’t think Shakespeare would run the risk of writing, and the Master of Revels would never allow, a play that painted a sympathetic light of an enemy of the ruling monarch’s house.

    Is it a tragedy? Yes, in the sense that Richard III’s downfall came about from his own machinations. It may not meet Aristotle’s exact description of a “tragic hero,” but I don’t think Shakespeare was all that concerned about Aristotle when he wrote it.

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    • March 20, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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  2. Profile photo of Duane Iverson Member

    To my esteemed Leader: I believe there is one Villain in literature who precedes Richard III. He is “That Wicked Haman in Esther. and Haman recounted to them the splendor of his riches, the number of his sons, all the promotions with which the king had honored him, and how he had

    advanced him above the officials and the ministers of the king. . . Yet all this does me no good so long as I see the Jew Mordecai sitting

    at the king’s gate.” This Petty little jerk was ready to pay 10,000 pieces of silver to kill someone who wouldn’t bow and scrape.

    I know of no villain anywhere else in the bible or in all the pre-Shakespeare literature I have read who quite fits. Even Caiaphas or Pilate have better less villainness motives than Haman.

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    • March 20, 2017 at 7:52 pm
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