How should transformative technologies approach the administrative state, and vice versa? In his latest book, “Evasive Entrepreneurs & the Future of Governance,” Adam Thierer of the Mercatus Center reports that tech companies are finding ways to outpace the regulators—and that this is a very good thing.

In this episode, the Gray Center’s director Adam White interviews Thierer about his book (and his previous book, “Permissionless Innovation”), with an eye to how high-tech companies and governments might help improve each other—for all of us.

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